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Weigookin74
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| Why would the media talk about North Korean human rights abuses? They're too busy talking about 'evil' English teachers. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
Fgshdg, yes you are correct. I accidentally copied you in the quote. haha my bad.
Waeguken - hipocracy by people who criticise Christianity but not Islam? Um...you will find both religions and any other get their fair serve of criticism. There is no hipocracy. I don't hear many people writing glowing reviews about the treatment of women in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.As others have said, it's 50 years down the track. What do you expect South Koreans to actually do about any feelings towards the plight in the North. A helpless situation which is totally avoidable. In their minds maybe there are better places where they can actually make a difference. |
No, but they are uncharacteristically silent on the topic. They criticize other groups but say nothing of this issue. The silence is deafening. Perhaps, Bill Maher is the only exception to this rule. |
Nonsense. Since 2011 Seoul has been officially recording North Korean human rights abuses.
They even opened up a center specifically just to do that.
http://blogs.wsj.com/korearealtime/2011/03/16/hey-kim-jong-il-seoul-is-now-taking-names/
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| Government and human-rights officials at an opening ceremony of the North Korea Human Rights Documentation Center and Archive in Seoul on Tuesday, March 15. |
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On Tuesday, the commission opened the North Korean Human Rights Documentation Center and Archive in Seoul. More than 20 people�including survivors of North Korean gulags and relatives of South Koreans killed by the North�s bombing of a Korean Air flight in the 1980s�lined up to tell their stories.
�This is the first national effort by the government of Korea to document the human rights violations of the North Korean government,� said Won Jae-chun, a director-general at the commission. |
And right wing newspapers/politicians have been doing that for years.
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Left-wing politicians and media tend to not to mention the human-rights abuses in the North for fear that doing so will upset their efforts to work with the North�s regime on inter-Korean relations, while right-wing politicians and media feel no such constraint. The situation has created an odd paradox: South Korea�s leftist politicians and media played a key role in the democratization of South but say little about bringing democracy to the North.
That divide was reflected in the newspaper coverage of the opening of the documentation center. Korean newspapers that are considered right-wing wrote about it, while newspapers that are considered left-wing did not. |
Here's a piece by the Korean Herald on the human right abuses in North Korea.
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20130328000952
Over the years there have been similar articles. Who writes these...wait for it...KOREANS. |
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Burndog
Joined: 17 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
The real question should be, why isn't the rest of the world
doing more about the situation?
The regime is more brutal than Nazi Germany, but hey it's only Koreans so
no one cares? |
More brutal than Nazi Germany?
Surely you don't mean that. |
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figshdg
Joined: 01 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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I do support your point, but the center opened by the government has done little since its opening. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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I do support your point, but the center opened by the government has done little since its opening. |
Well let's look at what it has done and is supposed to do.
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| More than 20 people�including survivors of North Korean gulags and relatives of South Koreans killed by the North�s bombing of a Korean Air flight in the 1980s�lined up to tell their stories. |
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| The South Korean commission said it aims to use the data it gathers from victims as a tool for social integration and compensation after the Koreas unify, presumably under South Korean-led democratic rule. It said the records will also become an �essential resource for administering criminal and civil remedy� for human rights violations. |
(bolding mine)
While you have a salient point I would like you to expand on this topic somewhat.
As far as I can tell it seems that it is doing what it is set up to...which for now is to gather information from victims and store it.
It also seems that the bulk of what it is supposed to do will come AFTER reunification. When most of one's work can only come about after a distant deadline in the future it seems a tad unjust to blame them for not doing much no?
Anyway I was just responding to the claim was that Korea/Koreans ignore human right violations in North Korea, which is as we can all see, simply not true. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| Burndog wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
The real question should be, why isn't the rest of the world
doing more about the situation?
The regime is more brutal than Nazi Germany, but hey it's only Koreans so
no one cares? |
More brutal than Nazi Germany?
Surely you don't mean that. |
Have you read Escape from Camp 14?
If not, read it first and then comment.
Perhaps I should have written "as brutal as", but how do you judge
the level of atrocities?
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figshdg
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| Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
While you have a salient point I would like you to expand on this topic somewhat.
As far as I can tell it seems that it is doing what it is set up to...which for now is to gather information from victims and store it.
It also seems that the bulk of what it is supposed to do will come AFTER reunification. When most of one's work can only come about after a distant deadline in the future it seems a tad unjust to blame them for not doing much no?
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I know of at least two other organisations that do exactly the same kind of work, but are far more proactive with their efforts (producing multiple reports in one year, holding various events, helping North Koreans settle in South Korea, etc., etc). I've heard it said by many a Korean in the field that they are disappointed by its efforts (although I suspect a lot of that criticism stems from more general criticism of the founding organisation). |
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ghostrider
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| Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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"I dare to call those Japanese leaders who cannot express regrets for their ancestors� crimes against humanity 'the Nazis of the East.' "
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2013/05/162_135046.html
Why shouldn't the Kim Jong Il regime which inflicts a lot more suffering on Koreans be called "the Nazis of the East"? Is refusing to apologize for the crimes of your ancestors worse than committing mass murder in prison camps? |
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mayorgc
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| Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| figshdg wrote: |
I do support your point, but the center opened by the government has done little since its opening. |
Well let's look at what it has done and is supposed to do.
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| More than 20 people�including survivors of North Korean gulags and relatives of South Koreans killed by the North�s bombing of a Korean Air flight in the 1980s�lined up to tell their stories. |
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| The South Korean commission said it aims to use the data it gathers from victims as a tool for social integration and compensation after the Koreas unify, presumably under South Korean-led democratic rule. It said the records will also become an �essential resource for administering criminal and civil remedy� for human rights violations. |
(bolding mine)
While you have a salient point I would like you to expand on this topic somewhat.
As far as I can tell it seems that it is doing what it is set up to...which for now is to gather information from victims and store it.
It also seems that the bulk of what it is supposed to do will come AFTER reunification. When most of one's work can only come about after a distant deadline in the future it seems a tad unjust to blame them for not doing much no?
Anyway I was just responding to the claim was that Korea/Koreans ignore human right violations in North Korea, which is as we can all see, simply not true. |
I think the point of the original post is to highlight the "relative" silence. I think obviously, there are signs that Koreans care, but that's not the main issue. Just take a look at the fury generated by the U.S beef protests compared to the North Korea situation.
I think there are valid discussion points regarding this "silence" (meaning that the South Korean citizens are not to blame). It seems easy to label the south as a bunch of uncaring monsters, but in my opinion, that's not the case.
In a perfect world, |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| I went to see 신동혁 speak in Seoul. Very few Koreans were in the audience. It was almost all white people. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| I went to see 신동혁 speak in Seoul. Very few Koreans were in the audience. It was almost all white people. |
Was it in English or Korean? |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 7:02 am Post subject: |
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The real question should be, why isn't the rest of the world
doing more about the situation?
The regime is more brutal than Nazi Germany, but hey it's only Koreans so
no one cares? |
because as long as they don't attack any other countries, they can kill as many people as they like within their own boarders...that's how far the magic rule of sovereignty goes |
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toby99
Joined: 28 Aug 2009
Location: Dong-Incheon-by-the-sea, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 10:31 am Post subject: |
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The Americans could knock down the Nork's house of cards at anytime, but pressure from ROK and the threat to the economy are major impediments. If there were oil at play, rest assured that the Yanks would have that nutter Kim Jong-eun out of power before you can say "Kimchi!"
The reality is that the ROK populace is too indifferent to force change, and many if not most want a continuation of the status quo. If change is to occur, it will need to be an American-led coalition with the Brit, Aussie, and ROK armies.
I do think that whenever the charade ends, the world will look back and ask how the world powers could let such injustices exist for so long. |
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goreality
Joined: 09 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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North Korean human rights abuses make me feel  the leader is a 
There we go now I'm part of the 0.001%. Next step tutor some 'refugees', incite their anger with a balloon launch, and make a face book post guilt tripping people into spreading the word that North Korea isn't a nice place. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
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| very few South Koreans show any interest in what their former lives were like. |
Koreans have very little intellectual curiosity in general.
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| South Koreans have shown that they can become outraged about certain injustices committed against Koreans such as the Japanese government falsely claiming ownership of Dokdo. So where is the outrage about human rights violations in North Korea? |
The same hypocrisy can be seen in numerous other political situations around the world. |
Ever hear of "Honey Boo Boo" or "the Situation" or "Keeping up with the Khardashians"? Lots of stupid intellectually uncurious people back home too. Even, some English teachers like this. Personally, I like to think of travelling abroad as people being intellectually curious, but not always. |
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