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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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A teacher needs to be able to control the classroom, that's part of the job, and students sometimes need to be scolded. That's just reality.
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You don't need to convince us of that. |
Apparently I do, just look at some of the previous posts reprimanding the guy for scolding the student. |
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3DR
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:26 am Post subject: |
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^ Absolutely and incredibly correct. The Korean hagweon bosses pull the same stunts on their Korean employees. The Korean employees tolerate it because they're used to tolerating it. The boss pulls the stunt on the foreigner because he's used to the stunt working. Then the boss is shocked when the foreigner reacts negatively to being cheated, chided, insulted, treated illegally, or blamed for something that is out of their control. Especially galling is when the boss blames the NET for something that is solely the boss's fault.
No, friends, this is not going to change because the vast majority of the hagweon employees are, of course, Koreans. Those Korean employees will continue to tolerate this. The bosses will not learn. And yet another NET will be thrown to the lions.
Ah, the Circle of Life. What a cute song. Not a good reality in the ESL business, though.
I forgot to ask the OP one thing. Did the boss also pull the lame trick of demanding that you pay the salary of the temporary teacher who'll be filling in while the boss is looking for your replacement? Ah, those were some good times with a boss who made that demand! |
I could never understand why Korean employees would be content with being cheated out of their money.
At my ex hagwon, the boss started paying late. The other foreign teachers and I complained, with one of them even busting through his office door shouting "Pay me my F$%$%^ money!"
The Korean teachers however, did nothing, and would go without pay for 2 or 3 months. I mean really? |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:59 am Post subject: |
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My best guess is that most Korean hagwon teachers know that they will
eventually get their money. Unlike weigukins, they don't run the risk of
being deported and all that. If they have to wait 6 months, they can. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
My best guess is that most Korean hagwon teachers know that they will
eventually get their money. Unlike weigukins, they don't run the risk of
being deported and all that. If they have to wait 6 months, they can. |
I have asked my wife, she's Korean, about this situation. She said that it would be extremely rare that a Korean teacher wouldn't be paid, or eventually paid. The hagwon would almost have to be going under for them not to be paid. Too, if the Korean teachers smell trouble, the can usually come up with an excuse to get the boss to pay up and then just not show up the next day.
She worked a couple of years for a big hagwon when she finished university. She said the hagwon was always stiffing the foreigners on money even though the owner was fully capable of paying them. However, she said there were too many ways for the Korean teachers to go about getting their money or the that they could cause a lot of problems for the hagwon due to the fact that they knew the mothers of many of the students. She knows a lot of Korean teachers who have worked for hogwans and she says that she is not aware of any of them who have not been paid. |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: Fined because a student quit? |
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My boss just informed me that a student quit because of me, and that I would be fined 800,000W for this. He made me sign a note that said if I was unhappy with this, I would be fired immediately.
I've never heard of this before and I am skeptical this is legal. Thoughts?
To tell what happened, I scolded a student in a way that I have scolded many students before. Nothing over the top, not even yelling or anything like that. However, I managed to 'scare' her. Her parents came in to school crying and yelling and made a huge scene.
Basically, due to their crazy overreaction, I'm being fined quite a large amount of money.
Also, because of the threat of being fired, I'm afraid to do anything right now. I finish my contract in three weeks. Would it be too late to take legal action after the contract is finished? |
WTF?? Drag that arse to the labor board pronto! UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!! 800,000???? I would have laughed in his face and thrown the paper back at him. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Students quit. Sometimes it's the teacher's fault. However, even if it is the teacher's fault, they cannot fine you or deduct any penalty from your pay. They can yell at you, warn you, even fire you if you were abusive to the student, but they cannot withhold your pay or fine you. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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2) I can still take legal action after my contract with them is finished.
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That's what I'd do. Revenge is a dish best served cold. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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2) I can still take legal action after my contract with them is finished.
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That's what I'd do. Revenge is a dish best served cold. |
I agree. I'd get my new work set up, bring bank statements and the contract to the labour board, and file the complaint within a month of being finished.
He'd have thought you'd forgotten and moved on - and then would get that nice surprise notice in the mail. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Two urban legends I've heard:
1) An F visa holder didn't get paid, so took the plasma TV off the wall and walked out.
2) An E visa holder did a runner, but just before heading to the airport trashed his apartment with a sledge hammer destroying the TV, toilet, and walls. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| 1) An F visa holder didn't get paid, so took the plasma TV off the wall and walked out. |
What does this accomplish? I doubt the landlord provided it. The school probably installed it with permission of the landlord and then allowed the teacher to use it. They never personally made use of it. It was for the teacher's benefit.
I am not saying the school was good, in fact they could just decide not to provide extras like this to the next teacher. They will be saving the money, and the next teacher will lose out on the benefits. It makes the situation worse, not better.
At best he could resell it and screw another foreigner or get a nominal amount. I think teachers need to play out their moves and not just act out from their anger and frustrations with the school.
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| 2) An E visa holder did a runner, but just before heading to the airport trashed his apartment with a sledge hammer destroying the TV, toilet, and walls. |
In this case, it just pisses off the landlord. The school has the money and can simply pay a fee for damages. You only help the companies that sell these products and provide the services to prepare apartments. You do nothing good by smashing up a place intentionally, making yourself and the view of all foreigners as crazy vigilantes. The people around you and the landlord don't know the details of your problems with the school. The school could be bad, but your actions can look a lot worse out of context. No one is going to take the time to investigate what went on. |
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