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Neil



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: Tokyo

PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kindergarten: Casual wear.

Hagwon: Shirt and slacks.

Public school: Same as hagwon but maybe with a tie if asked.

Business classes: Oppa gecko style.

Never did uni classes but would assume it's the same as business,

It really isn't that difficult.

misher wrote:
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A good number of EFL teachers in Korea dress like complete slobs.


Corrected that for you.

True expats (professionals "expatriated" to a foreign country through an MNC on a package..usually lucrative) usually dress the part. At least the ones I came across did.


True expats, yes they usually wear expensive and quality suits, however you left out the part where after work they encamp en mass to 3 Alleys or Seoul Pub and throw racist, drunken temper tantrums after their 3rd pint whilst treating the Korean staff like garbage. A well paid pig in a suit is still a pig.


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toby99



Joined: 28 Aug 2009
Location: Dong-Incheon-by-the-sea, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no problem with people throwing on a suit to their job, though it can look a little weird depending on the job. Nothing wrong with looking presentable.

What I think is funny is when a guy dresses up to the point where he looks as though he's about to direct a hostile takeover of Nongshim when in reality he's going to teach snot-nosed 4 year olds how to say "I like apples." It's not necessarily wrong, just funny.

Wouldn't little kids be freaked out? If you're teaching business execs then I can certainly see how such garb is appropriate.
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wooden nickels



Joined: 23 May 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me? NEW BALANCE and jeans. And a nice clean colored T-shirt or sweater.

I'm no Steve Jobs, but I don't have to wear a suit to sell my skills.
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Ginormousaurus



Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit

PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully your personal hygene is a little better than the notoriously pungent CEO of Apple.
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wooden nickels



Joined: 23 May 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 long showers a day, one in the morning then another at night.

Well shaved and well groomed.
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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neil wrote:
Kindergarten: Casual wear.

Hagwon: Shirt and slacks.

Public school: Same as hagwon but maybe with a tie if asked.

Business classes: Oppa gecko style.

Never did uni classes but would assume it's the same as business,

It really isn't that difficult.

misher wrote:
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A good number of EFL teachers in Korea dress like complete slobs.


Corrected that for you.

True expats (professionals "expatriated" to a foreign country through an MNC on a package..usually lucrative) usually dress the part. At least the ones I came across did.


True expats, yes they usually wear expensive and quality suits, however you left out the part where after work they encamp en mass to 3 Alleys or Seoul Pub and throw racist, drunken temper tantrums after their 3rd pint whilst treating the Korean staff like garbage. A well paid pig in a suit is still a pig.


I really don't know what expats you're refering too. The expats I know are more likely to be found in casual wear at The Seoul Club than in Itaewon in a suit.

However I have heard a lot of English teachers go to Itaewon in suits claiming to be Expats, just remember to remove the marker ink from your hands. Very Happy
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Waygeek



Joined: 27 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ginormousaurus wrote:
Hopefully your personal hygene is a little better than the notoriously pungent CEO of Apple.


That's something I never heard about the man... bit smelly was he?
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robbie_davies



Joined: 16 Jun 2013

PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being on the verge of completing a masters degree. I understand that not looking or dressing the part is going to bring down the value of my new qualification to around 40%, as remaining fat and scruffy will keep my backside on a similar position on the totem pole whilst lesser qualified teachers get the better jobs because they do look smart and are in shape.

I worked with a guy in Saudi Arabia who had a total preppy look and he looked the part - in Korea he was a great success and the Koreans loved him and in turn - he loved Korea and was at a loss why I had a hard time there. Lesson learned.

There is good money to be earned in Asia with the right qualifications teaching EAP, but you need to look the part! Clean shaven, ironed clothes, colour co-ordination. It isn't that hard though it requires some effort and spending some money (Oh no! Shock horror) on a nice wardrobe.
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wooden nickels



Joined: 23 May 2010

PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

robbie_davies wrote:
Being on the verge of completing a masters degree. I understand that not looking or dressing the part is going to bring down the value of my new qualification to around 40%, as remaining fat and scruffy will keep my backside on a similar position on the totem pole whilst lesser qualified teachers get the better jobs because they do look smart and are in shape.

I worked with a guy in Saudi Arabia who had a total preppy look and he looked the part - in Korea he was a great success and the Koreans loved him and in turn - he loved Korea and was at a loss why I had a hard time there. Lesson learned.

There is good money to be earned in Asia with the right qualifications teaching EAP, but you need to look the part! Clean shaven, ironed clothes, colour co-ordination. It isn't that hard though it requires some effort and spending some money (Oh no! Shock horror) on a nice wardrobe.


For the vast majority of teachers here, I would tend to agree with your statement. But not everyone here needs to look like a metrosexual or wear a silk tie to earn good money.
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Ginormousaurus



Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit

PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waygeek wrote:
Ginormousaurus wrote:
Hopefully your personal hygene is a little better than the notoriously pungent CEO of Apple.


That's something I never heard about the man... bit smelly was he?


Yeah, he refused to wear deodorant and attempted to control his body odour through diet. He was into all sorts of hippy/new-age crap.

If you're at all interested in the man, I highly recommend reading his biography by Walter Isaacson. It is one of the best biographies I've ever read and does NOT simply glorify the man. Isaacson lays out his faults as well as his accomplishments. For example, Jobs was known to cry (A LOT!) if he didn't get his way.

Spoiler alert: the main character dies in the end. Sad
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byrddogs



Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in the camp that dressing nicely is appropriate as a teacher. I'm also in the camp that wearing a suit to teach kindy is going overboard. We have a dress code in my dept. at my Korean school in China. This is only in my department; the rest of the school teachers dress however they want. For instance, the head of the Chinese dept. wears jeans and brightly colored sneakers everyday. I've got no problem with it, as I would dress that way anyway. What I do find odd is that this dress code only seems to apply to the NET males. The females have a dress code as well, yet they somehow get a pass and wear whatever they want. The Korean teachers certainly wear whatever they want (ie...jeans, sneakers, T-shirts, yada yada). It's a mixed bag of how people dress in this school. The secondary English teachers all dress pretty well, as do the majority of Chinese teachers (sans the dept. head). Many Korean teachers dress nicely, but there are some that bum it up as well.
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misher



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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True expats, yes they usually wear expensive and quality suits, however you left out the part where after work they encamp en mass to 3 Alleys or Seoul Pub and throw racist, drunken temper tantrums after their 3rd pint whilst treating the Korean staff like garbage. A well paid pig in a suit is still a pig.


Fair enough but ESL teachers aren't exactly saints either and yeah I would say ON AVERAGE we are still the bottom of the barrel in terms of how we dress and behave.


I guess I'm referring to how expats dress ON THE JOB. Usually suit, shirt, tie, dress shoes etc. Not out at the bars on a Friday night.

As teachers should we go that far? I don't think so but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try a little especially, as others have mentioned, when appearance is EXTREMELY important for the host culture. It's fine when you don't wanna shave and look slobby to the host culture. Just don't bitch when you're out of work or have problems getting past the interview stage for a uni position. When in Rome..

It's funny because the guys I knew that got let go in 2008 all had that same attitude I see sometimes here: "Don't care what Koreans think!" "I'll dress the way I want, I do my job well and that is all that matters!" "I'm a teacher, a shirt and tie is overkill."
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atwood



Joined: 26 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

misher wrote:
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True expats, yes they usually wear expensive and quality suits, however you left out the part where after work they encamp en mass to 3 Alleys or Seoul Pub and throw racist, drunken temper tantrums after their 3rd pint whilst treating the Korean staff like garbage. A well paid pig in a suit is still a pig.


Fair enough but ESL teachers aren't exactly saints either and yeah I would say ON AVERAGE we are still the bottom of the barrel in terms of how we dress and behave.


I guess I'm referring to how expats dress ON THE JOB. Usually suit, shirt, tie, dress shoes etc. Not out at the bars on a Friday night.

As teachers should we go that far? I don't think so but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try a little especially, as others have mentioned, when appearance is EXTREMELY important for the host culture. It's fine when you don't wanna shave and look slobby to the host culture. Just don't bitch when you're out of work or have problems getting past the interview stage for a uni position. When in Rome..

It's funny because the guys I knew that got let go in 2008 all had that same attitude I see sometimes here: "Don't care what Koreans think!" "I'll dress the way I want, I do my job well and that is all that matters!" "I'm a teacher, a shirt and tie is overkill."

Good points.

But things have changed since then due to the energy shortages. Even the former president was holding meetings wearing short sleeves as a means of encouraging people to dress cooler.
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Squire



Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This time of year it's trousers and short sleeve shirts for me until the weather cools down. When it's cooler I'll go suit and tie or v-neck sweater and tie. Part of the reason is to separate myself from the ESL teachers going to work every day dressed like college students. I don't have anything against them, but don't want to be associated with that image.
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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Squire wrote:
This time of year it's trousers and short sleeve shirts for me until the weather cools down. When it's cooler I'll go suit and tie or v-neck sweater and tie. Part of the reason is to separate myself from the ESL teachers going to work every day dressed like college students. I don't have anything against them, but don't want to be associated with that image.


Please tell me you're not a "visiting professor" at some uni who thinks he's better than hogwan or public school teachers because he works at a uni and has his all mighty on-line MA from a diploma mill.

I've met a few of those types... talk about loony tunes

Seriously, though, Korea is a very image orientated society. If you're not sure what to wear, match what your Korean co-workers are wearing. Rolling Eyes
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