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Will I be a loser, too?
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Does not studying Korean make me a loser if I plan to stay in Korea long term?
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No
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candy bar



Joined: 03 Dec 2012

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So far I haven't felt any downside in my lack of Korean skills. Well, I know a couple of words and phrases. Actually, I believe I could be happy if I never furthered my skills. Even, I'm somewhat surprised to have seen the high number of loser ticks in the poll.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:19 am    Post subject: Re: Will I be a loser, too? Reply with quote

Zyzyfer wrote:
mithridates wrote:
By the way, his username here is komtengi.


Shocked

Rings a bell.


I think he has that Napoleon Dynamite avatar.

Quote:
When will you start making Korean TV appearances mithridates?


Hard to say - I did a number of them almost a decade ago, and found that

1) however much I like learning languages I'm not really that interested in promoting them and being known as a polyglot ("okay, now say something in Bulgarian!") is not all that enjoyable, and

2) much of the time what I said or wrote ended up edited and completely wrong by the end. In 2004 I mentioned knowing a little bit about German and Turkish grammar for a newspaper interview, and the article ended up saying that I was completely fluent in both. Without editorial control there's always something irritating or wrong bound to pop up.
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curlyhoward



Joined: 03 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, are you happy here now?

Most likely you will study enough to get you through the daily routines. Anything more than that and the loss will begin to outweigh the benefits.

Pick up some of the language at a happy pace and don't fret the rest. Do something more rewarding with your free time like picking up a hobby.
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happiness



Joined: 04 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

curlyhoward wrote:
OP, are you happy here now?

Most likely you will study enough to get you through the daily routines. Anything more than that and the loss will begin to outweigh the benefits.

Pick up some of the language at a happy pace and don't fret the rest. Do something more rewarding with your free time like picking up a hobby.


I disagree with this. I have quite a few great hobbies, but I wouldnt change a second of the time I spent learning Korean. It made me what I am (part of it)
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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'venever considered myself to be in Korea for the long term, although after 7 and a half years, I have been and I don't speak Korean.

I should have studied when I arrived but I got too busy living the undergrad life I had missed as a working student.

I have met people that have been here for over 12 years and have remarkably little Korean.

If you actually plan to be here long term, you should learn Korean.

If you plan to leave ESL you have less than 3 years to get competent in Korean to get out of the ESL business, as the jobs advertised require people to be bilingual, however if you stay in ESL for more than 3 years, you will have to go home to change your profession.
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candy bar



Joined: 03 Dec 2012

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm thinking I will probably just polish up on the very basics. I'm happy with my job, income, personal life, and social life.
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goat



Joined: 23 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, you are not a loser if you don't learn the language. It helps to know it but so would graduating in the top of the class at MIT or Harvard. There are many things that can make your life successful while in Korea. Not knowing the language does not automatically make you a loser.

There are some people who will call you a loser for not diligently studying the language. They can speak a little more Korean than the average Joe. The majority of these have a chip on their shoulder and are looking for the opportunity to belittle another. They use it as an EGO boost for their insecurities or own lack of happiness or success. It's their biased way of measuring others.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean is an extremely difficult language of limited (and declining) utility spoken by less than one percent of the world's population. Those who don't study it are probably the smart ones. I study it all the time, but looking back I regret my choice to get into it. But now I am in too deep to get out and there is no going back. If you are married to a Korean woman (as are Fox and many other posters), then yes, it makes sense to spend years and years and years of your life trying to get good at the language. If you are not married to a Korean woman, however, there is not a slam dunk case for studying the language intensively.
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candy bar



Joined: 03 Dec 2012

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
Korean is an extremely difficult language of limited (and declining) utility spoken by less than one percent of the world's population. Those who don't study it are probably the smart ones. I study it all the time, but looking back I regret my choice to get into it. But now I am in too deep to get out and there is no going back. If you are married to a Korean woman (as are Fox and many other posters), then yes, it makes sense to spend years and years and years of your life trying to get good at the language. If you are not married to a Korean woman, however, there is not a slam dunk case for studying the language intensively.


Thanks. This is what I have been thinking.
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nicwr2002



Joined: 17 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candy bar wrote:
World Traveler wrote:
Korean is an extremely difficult language of limited (and declining) utility spoken by less than one percent of the world's population. Those who don't study it are probably the smart ones. I study it all the time, but looking back I regret my choice to get into it. But now I am in too deep to get out and there is no going back. If you are married to a Korean woman (as are Fox and many other posters), then yes, it makes sense to spend years and years and years of your life trying to get good at the language. If you are not married to a Korean woman, however, there is not a slam dunk case for studying the language intensively.


Thanks. This is what I have been thinking.


Don't listen to his pessimistic view of learning Korean. He is hell bent on discouraging anybody to learn Korean because it's too hard for him. I must admit it will require time and probably a teacher to help you out, but it's not impossible as he makes it out to be. Learn it to conversational level if you don't plan to stay here that long, if you do plan to stay here then master it to a higher degree. You never know what your circumstances will be in the future.
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frankhenry



Joined: 13 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LMAO

Got a bunch of people squirreled away in their moldy little rat dens studying away in their How to Learn Korean in 3 Weeks books. They have been studying this same book for the past 6 months, taking a time out to plug the loser poll on the OP. In the meantime, some other chap is out making extra coin that will be used to further his financial well being while having an enriching and meaningful social and cultural experience that will lead to other great opportunities. Idea
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nicwr2002



Joined: 17 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankhenry wrote:
LMAO

In the meantime, some other chap is out making extra coin that will be used to further his financial well being while having an enriching and meaningful social and cultural experience that will lead to other great opportunities. Idea


Is your definition of meaningful social and cultural experience a night of binge drinking on the weekends and sometimes during the week. Waking up in a delirium about what happened last night. While the person that's studying Korean is able to converse and network with that Korean person and because of that attains a job through which that person couldn't if they hadn't known Korean.

The point is, maybe learning Korean isn't right for you, but don't portray it as something that nobody should strive for. If a person is interested in Korea, then by all means study Korean. If you don't like Korea then don't study it. If you are planning on living in Korea for a long time, then study Korean. If this is just a stop over until you pay your student loans off, then only learn some basics so that you can live more comfortably.
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frankhenry



Joined: 13 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nicwr2002 wrote:
frankhenry wrote:
LMAO

In the meantime, some other chap is out making extra coin that will be used to further his financial well being while having an enriching and meaningful social and cultural experience that will lead to other great opportunities. Idea


Is your definition of meaningful social and cultural experience a night of binge drinking on the weekends and sometimes during the week. Waking up in a delirium about what happened last night. While the person that's studying Korean is able to converse and network with that Korean person and because of that attains a job through which that person couldn't if they hadn't known Korean.

The point is, maybe learning Korean isn't right for you, but don't portray it as something that nobody should strive for. If a person is interested in Korea, then by all means study Korean. If you don't like Korea then don't study it. If you are planning on living in Korea for a long time, then study Korean. If this is just a stop over until you pay your student loans off, then only learn some basics so that you can live more comfortably.


Hey buddy ole pal,

I don't drink alcohol and I have a large network of Korean friends. I have more work now than I can get around to.
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Ginormousaurus



Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankhenry wrote:
nicwr2002 wrote:
frankhenry wrote:
LMAO

In the meantime, some other chap is out making extra coin that will be used to further his financial well being while having an enriching and meaningful social and cultural experience that will lead to other great opportunities. Idea


Is your definition of meaningful social and cultural experience a night of binge drinking on the weekends and sometimes during the week. Waking up in a delirium about what happened last night. While the person that's studying Korean is able to converse and network with that Korean person and because of that attains a job through which that person couldn't if they hadn't known Korean.

The point is, maybe learning Korean isn't right for you, but don't portray it as something that nobody should strive for. If a person is interested in Korea, then by all means study Korean. If you don't like Korea then don't study it. If you are planning on living in Korea for a long time, then study Korean. If this is just a stop over until you pay your student loans off, then only learn some basics so that you can live more comfortably.


Hey buddy ole pal,

I don't drink alcohol and I have a large network of Korean friends. I have more work now than I can get around to.


Good for you. All his points are still valid.
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frankhenry



Joined: 13 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ginormousaurus wrote:
frankhenry wrote:
nicwr2002 wrote:
frankhenry wrote:
LMAO

In the meantime, some other chap is out making extra coin that will be used to further his financial well being while having an enriching and meaningful social and cultural experience that will lead to other great opportunities. Idea


Is your definition of meaningful social and cultural experience a night of binge drinking on the weekends and sometimes during the week. Waking up in a delirium about what happened last night. While the person that's studying Korean is able to converse and network with that Korean person and because of that attains a job through which that person couldn't if they hadn't known Korean.

The point is, maybe learning Korean isn't right for you, but don't portray it as something that nobody should strive for. If a person is interested in Korea, then by all means study Korean. If you don't like Korea then don't study it. If you are planning on living in Korea for a long time, then study Korean. If this is just a stop over until you pay your student loans off, then only learn some basics so that you can live more comfortably.


Hey buddy ole pal,

I don't drink alcohol and I have a large network of Korean friends. I have more work now than I can get around to.


Good for you. All his points are still valid.


- so are mine -
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