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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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 Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| I'm also judging them laughing about it as though it's comedy. I don't know why things went down either, but my first reaction would NOT be to laugh as though it were hilarious. I think that's BS behavior on both counts and have no problem saying so. I hope I'm not in the minority on this. |
Not saying that they aren't in the wrong, but at least they aren't hypocrites.
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Yes, right. How hypocritical to form a negative opinion about a guy soccer kicking someone's head repeatedly while the other guy's already down. How could we be so judgmental? Let's postpone ANY judgement because there may be certain situations where the victim might have deserved it. Steelrails to the rescue!
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Amateur detective hour time. The guy who beat the dude looked like he'd done that before. The guy who got beat seemed to not be overly outraged over the beating. Sorta like he knew what was coming. He also didn't seem to be offering any kind of sympathy story. |
Here we have it, folks! The guy deserved it!
Despite being borderline unconscious, the victim didn't offer any kind of "sympathy story" between the two second intervals of multiple kicks to the head. Plus, in his effort to lift his head off the concrete and avoid more punishment, he just didn't seem "outraged" enough, therefore he obviously knew he deserved the beating.
Excellent work as usual, SR! Too bad you weren't on the scene:
"Wait folks! This victim isn't protesting enough! Let the kicks continue, you hypocrites!" |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, the bit about the lack of protest from the victim is so asinine, it's hard to address.
Guys get dummied. A single punch to the head is good enough to accomplish it sometimes. They may still be standing, but the lights aren't on. They'd be lucky to answer basic questions, mush less share opinions.
So seeing a guy that is not objecting to getting beat down... yeah, to me, it has no relevance to his guilt.
SR, I get that you like to play devil's advocate. But your arguments of late have jumped the shark. I know there should be a counter voice, but yours is getting strained. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Wait. Didn't SR, just a few days ago, point to the prevalence of violence in the west as a mark of uncivilized behavior? Yes. Yes he did; in his rebuttal to a post on the 'spitting' thread.
And now he's defending violence on behalf of Koreans because a guy 'may have deserved it'?
'May have' = 'right to violence' ? |
Yes. In one thread he'll say there are no drugs or violence in Korea and it's a disease in the West. Then in the next he'll say anytime we see a man beating a woman in Korea she is a drug addict prostitute who deserves it. I was going to bring this hypocrisy up, but I was more concerned about SR's complete lack of empathy (not to mention desperate/sociopathic attempts to condone such violence). |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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That's stone cold. Kicking a man when he's down is low. The second kick was even lower.
Good on the foreigners and Koreans who tried to split it up. |
Good to know Koreans intervene. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| because the victim 'probably deserved it' |
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| 'May have' = 'right to violence' ? |
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| he normal response when seeing another human being getting brutally attacked would be empathy and outrage. |
No, I'm saying that we don't know why the fight took place and their MIGHT be other reasons than the guy is just some psycho.
Unless I learned that the dude had slept with the guys' wife/got his sister pregnant and ran off/stole 50k from his grandmother/got his mother fired based on lies/beat a female friend of the dude/engaged in a brutal attack himself against the guy's friend/stole drugs from the guy/beat up a prostitute/etc.
Would you feel empathy to the guy if he had been responsible for beating up a hooker?
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| Yes. In one thread he'll say there are no drugs or violence in Korea and it's a disease in the West. |
Pffft. show me one thread where I claim that there are no drugs or violence in Korea.
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| but I was more concerned about SR's complete lack of empathy (not to mention desperate/sociopathic attempts to condone such violence). |
No, but I know there are different rules out there. If someone steals some drugs from you, you can't sue them or call the police to recover your property.
As long as both parties know the rules and expected punishments, and have previously accepted them as part of their lifestyle, then I really don't care.
If two of my friends start fighting in some stupid drunken argument, I'm separating and maybe taking sides. If two friends do the exact same thing in the ring, then its a different story and a different mindset. If one of those friends beat up the sister of the other, then I'd have radically different views too. If it was two strangers back home, where I could overhear how things went down and understand why, maybe a bit different.
The point is that it all depends on how much you know and what the situation is, not whether or not someone is simply getting a country ass-kickin.
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| SR, I get that you like to play devil's advocate. But your arguments of late have jumped the shark. I know there should be a counter voice, but yours is getting strained. |
Well, in the end this one is pretty meh. I'm throwing it out there, but I know the percentages lie more likely on the guy being a jerk and people right to condemn him and intervene.
Maybe I should start posting percentages as to how likely I think my DA argument is and how strongly I believe it... |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Judging from the lack of protest from the gf, I'd say the guy did something pretty dumb. Definitely doesn't deserve to be kicked while he's out though. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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There aren't many things that warrant a full force kick to the head, let alone two.
I've seen it happen before back home and it was always some scum taking a fight too far. Not stolen drugs. Or pedophila.
And why is everyone using the girlfriends reaction as a clue? It looks a pretty normal reaction form a Korean girl to me.
I saw a kid get hit by a car last Tuesday afternoon and the reaction from bystanders was pretty non-plussed. |
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Ranman
Joined: 18 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| Brutal. The guy kicking him is scum, as are the people filming. No surprise to hear North American accents on those morons |
Nothing wrong with filming, assuming they use it as evidence to help the poor sap on the ground. However, laughing like giggling idiots and filming close up of the guy is just making us look even worse over here. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| Please correct the spelling mistake in the title. |
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Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
| Please correct the spelling mistake in the title. |
Huh? 
I'm still standing by my opinion, the guy is a gyopo. |
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mr_thehorse
Joined: 27 Aug 2013
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| Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| Jodami wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
| Please correct the spelling mistake in the title. |
Huh?
I'm still standing by my opinion, the guy is a gyopo. |
For sure IPIC is a gyopo. |
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Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| mr_thehorse wrote: |
| For sure IPIC is a gyopo. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:45 am Post subject: |
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I have to agree with Steelrails on this one;
Gyopo or not, the guy on the ground did look guilty of something,
not saying he deserved getting kicked in the head.
He did appear to know why he was getting it though. |
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Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
I have to agree with Steelrails on this one;
Gyopo or not, the guy on the ground did look guilty of something,
not saying he deserved getting kicked in the head.
He did appear to know why he was getting it though. |
Where might I ask - were the bloody esl tough guy/superheroes when you need them?
Calling World Traveler, where were you pal? Hiding behind your gfs skirt?  |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:03 am Post subject: |
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Why would a wayguk-in get involved in this?
They would only worsen the situation and bring possible trouble upon themselves.
The goof balls laughing at the situation was sickening, but expecting them
to "step in" is just asking for trouble. |
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