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FriendlyDaegu
Joined: 26 Aug 2012
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| I feel bad for the getaway driver if he was, as reported, charged with 2nd degree murder for the death of his compadres. He probably never gave a thought to that possibility. |
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| FriendlyDaegu wrote: |
| I feel bad for the getaway driver if he was, as reported, charged with 2nd degree murder for the death of his compadres. He probably never gave a thought to that possibility. |
In most states within the US the law says that if you're involved in a crime which results in the death of an individual you'll be charged with murder/manslaughter etc. Now obviously I'm not a lawyer but I've seen A LOT of episodes of The First 48.
If you plan on committing armed robbery the chance someone is going to end up dead is always there. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
Ramming a car through a window to get a smokes, |
Actually, I kinda have a bit of sympathy there....If you're so addicted to nicotine or the drug that you are going to trade those cartons for that you are willing to risk destruction of a vehicle, likely worth more than the smokes, then you need some medical help or some sort of ironic punishment, not getting gunned down. |
I was meaning more - stealing a car, and ramming it for smokes (to sell). Was a trend in my city years back. |
We really need more economics courses for our young criminals. Don't they realize that they could probably fetch more from a stolen vehicle in mint condition, say a nice SUV, than from 100 cartons of cigarettes? (though with cigarette prices these days...) and the opportunity cost of adding larceny charges on top of your carjacking ones really makes it unfeasible. |
But unloading a couple dozen cartons of smokes a pack at a time is much easier than trying to fence a car or truck. Probably less dangerous too, considering the scale of the crime. I also doubt they were stealing cars that were worth a whole lot. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
Ramming a car through a window to get a smokes, |
Actually, I kinda have a bit of sympathy there....If you're so addicted to nicotine or the drug that you are going to trade those cartons for that you are willing to risk destruction of a vehicle, likely worth more than the smokes, then you need some medical help or some sort of ironic punishment, not getting gunned down. |
I was meaning more - stealing a car, and ramming it for smokes (to sell). Was a trend in my city years back. |
We really need more economics courses for our young criminals. Don't they realize that they could probably fetch more from a stolen vehicle in mint condition, say a nice SUV, than from 100 cartons of cigarettes? (though with cigarette prices these days...) and the opportunity cost of adding larceny charges on top of your carjacking ones really makes it unfeasible. |
But unloading a couple dozen cartons of smokes a pack at a time is much easier than trying to fence a car or truck. Probably less dangerous too, considering the scale of the crime. I also doubt they were stealing cars that were worth a whole lot. |
Touche. After carefully looking over their business model, they concluded that boosting some cheap early-80s hunk of Detroit Steel, grabbing the smokes and selling them in some high-tax municipality would be the most financially sound course of action. |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah imma agree with CC on this. Sorry but no sympathy from me. I find it funny that people are stating "we need less guns on the streets/etc" when we all know that guns dont kill people, people do. If someone points a gun at me albeit it being loaded or unloaded and I feel in harms way/in danger, if I have the means (concealed carry permit) you better believe id shoot first. If it comes down to a criminal with a gun or protecting my family, you better damn well know id protect my family first and foremost. Oh yes i go to church and yes I believe in God, but im also human and protective of what I love.
The man needed to pay his child support, so he was stealing money? So another should suffer because of his negligence? Dont really see the rationality in that 
reminds me of that "american dad" photo going around where the daughter is pro gun control but the dad puts the gun on the table and tells it to kill someone.  |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| we all know that guns dont kill people, people do. |
How many times does this deceptive phrase need to be repeated? Yes, yes, it's the person and not the gun who makes the decision to kill me, but I can tell you, if someone wishes to kill me, I'd rather they were armed with a knife than with a gun. Guns are highly-developed killing machines, which is why they are the weapon of choice in these situations.
Guns may not make the choice to kill people, but they can certainly cause a person who would have lived if assaulted with a different variety of weapon to end up dead. |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| chrisinkorea2011 wrote: |
| we all know that guns dont kill people, people do. |
How many times does this deceptive phrase need to be repeated? Yes, yes, it's the person and not the gun who makes the decision to kill me, but I can tell you, if someone wishes to kill me, I'd rather they were armed with a knife than with a gun. Guns are highly-developed killing machines, which is why they are the weapon of choice in these situations.
Guns may not make the choice to kill people, but they can certainly cause a person who would have lived if assaulted with a different variety of weapon to end up dead. |
So you'd rather be killed with a knife than a gun? Il tell you this, a knife is just as deceptive if not more as a killing machine. Are both capable of immense pain? Of course! but a knife can just as easily kill and be hidden a lot more deceptively than a gun. If you dont believe that, take some self defense courses that teach defense against a knife armed assailant. That being said a gun doesnt choose to kill someone, its the person who uses the weapon that enables it to become a killing machine. Its the same with ANY weapon. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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So you'd rather be killed with a knife than a gun? |
I'd rather be attacked with a knife than with a gun. Being killed is by no means a foregone conclusion, and I'm more likely to survive the former than the latter.
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| Il tell you this, a knife is just as deceptive if not more as a killing machine. |
I don't know if you've just played far too much Counterstrike or something here, but the reason people use guns and not knives when they have access to guns is because guns are substantially more effective as killing tools.
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| That being said a gun doesnt choose to kill someone, its the person who uses the weapon that enables it to become a killing machine. |
I can see this is going nowhere. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people
grenades don't kill people, people kill people
napalm doesn't kill people, people kill people
Sarin gas doesn't kill people, people kill people
etc.
So why don't we just make everything legal? The logic is so airtight. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people
grenades don't kill people, people kill people
napalm doesn't kill people, people kill people
Sarin gas doesn't kill people, people kill people
etc.
So why don't we just make everything legal? The logic is so airtight. |
Aren't those things listed illegal?  |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people
grenades don't kill people, people kill people
napalm doesn't kill people, people kill people
Sarin gas doesn't kill people, people kill people
etc.
So why don't we just make everything legal? The logic is so airtight. |
Aren't those things listed illegal? |
Yes, but they don't kill anyone, people do. What about my rights! |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:59 am Post subject: |
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The real core of the problem is our culture of violence.
These boys didn't have the same opportunities that 99% of us had. |
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yodanole
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: La Florida
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| Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:24 am Post subject: |
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If the person that is attempting to kill me is much less physically competent than I am, I would prefer that I be attacked with a knife. Then I have a better chance of living.
If the person that is attempting to kill me is much more physically competent than I am, I would prefer to be attacked with a gun. If I'm going to die anyway, might as well get it over with as painlessly as possible, rather than being carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey. |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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So you'd rather be killed with a knife than a gun? |
I'd rather be attacked with a knife than with a gun. Being killed is by no means a foregone conclusion, and I'm more likely to survive the former than the latter.
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| Il tell you this, a knife is just as deceptive if not more as a killing machine. |
I don't know if you've just played far too much Counterstrike or something here, but the reason people use guns and not knives when they have access to guns is because guns are substantially more effective as killing tools.
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| That being said a gun doesnt choose to kill someone, its the person who uses the weapon that enables it to become a killing machine. |
I can see this is going nowhere. |
Ahh personal attacks now? Usually a sign of someone not having anything intelligent to say. Again how is it deceptive? thanks for playing! |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Suggesting someone has played Counterstrike is a personal attack? Honestly, I simply do not see any other context which could leave someone sincerely believing the otherwise ridiculous proposition that the efficacy of a knife as a killing tool is equal to or greater than that of a gun. Had I wanted to launch a personal attack, I would have mentioned that your posts read like they were written by a drunk high school kid from the Deep South, but I politely withheld that observation. |
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