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KimchiNinja
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| My Urban Politics professor, who was African-American, in a sort of roundabout way, implied that black people were better off during segregation. |
And perhaps they were, nothing wrong with talking about one's ideas. I think women were a lot happier before feminism, but it's one of the many things you can't say in the USA, or you lose your job. |
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northway
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| Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:16 am Post subject: |
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I just wonder if there is a better approach than suspending him/calling for his ouster. Wouldn't it be better to offer counterarguments and maybe get someone to debate him?
What if this starts to devolve into tit-for-tat firings? Right-wing corporations firing employees who make pro-homosexual statements on their facebook pages, for example. |
If he were an actor or athlete, sure. As it is, however, he's a reality TV star who is paid for being who he is. This being the case, I don't think he should be rewarded for being a bigot. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Back in the 50s, people in Hollywood were blacklisted because of alleged Communist sympathies. Denied work and fired from jobs simply because of the views they held. Now, they are considered heroes of free speech, their firings and blacklistings seen as contrary to the values of free speech and freedom of expression. 60 years later we have this. If one is against the Communist blacklistings, one should be against A&E's actions here. If it was wrong then, it is wrong now. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| If one is against the Communist blacklistings, one should be against A&E's actions here. |
Let's turn your "principled extremist" argumentation against you here. If one is against the Communist blacklistings, on the other hand, one is against freedom of association. Why are you against freedom of association, Steelrails? |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| If one is against the Communist blacklistings, one should be against A&E's actions here. |
Let's turn your "principled extremist" argumentation against you here. If one is against the Communist blacklistings, on the other hand, one is against freedom of association. Why are you against freedom of association, Steelrails? |
Well, that is a fair point. We seem to have legal principles and values coming into collision here. And while blacklists and suspensions are within a company's right, we have to ask ourselves "Is that the best course of action?" Just because it is permissible, doesn't necessarily mean it's advisable. |
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Sector7G
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Let's hope so. You should be able to disagree with any group you want. It's not like he was advocating that gays be tarred and feathered. If we are supposed to be tolerant then so should they. |
You can disagree with any group you want. No one can stop you. What you can't do is force a private business to keep someone on the payroll in a case like this. I bet there is even a clause in the contract covering stuff like this. |
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archaeologist5
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| Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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What I have found over the years, and I am not sure if anyone else has said this or not, is that those demanding others to be tolerant of their views and preferences turn out to be the least tolerant people when someone disagrees with them.
The homosexual community has been the worst of the lot so far. They can't handle it when people disagree with their choice. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| And while blacklists and suspensions are within a company's right, we have to ask ourselves "Is that the best course of action?" |
I'm not sure we do have to ask ourselves that. "Is that the best course of action?" is a question best suited to either reflection for the sake of self improvement, or looking after the well being of our fellow men. Consideration of whether a trash television network is handling its trash reality television show in an optimal fashion is not particularly conducive to self improvement, and the person being suspended is a wealthy business owner who is at no real risk of suffering on account of this incident, so I think it's fairly safe to be indifferent about this matter. |
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RangerMcGreggor
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| Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| My Urban Politics professor, who was African-American, in a sort of roundabout way, implied that black people were better off during segregation. He talked about how he grew up in the same neighborhood as black doctors, dentists, teachers, etc. Now, thanks to black flight many a kid in the ghetto doesn't have that experience of looking out and seeing successful, educated people like himself. It was a very interesting point |
The difference between him and DD is:
A.) I'm going to assume the Professor has tenure and thus is legally protected. Tenure existed for this very reason.
B.) He isn't a media figure. When you are a public figure, you lose some rights because now you are a representative of a product |
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actionjackson
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
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| archaeologist5 wrote: |
What I have found over the years, and I am not sure if anyone else has said this or not, is that those demanding others to be tolerant of their views and preferences turn out to be the least tolerant people when someone disagrees with them.
The homosexual community has been the worst of the lot so far. They can't handle it when people disagree with their choice. |
Aaannnddd he's back. |
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archaeologist5
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| B.) He isn't a media figure. When you are a public figure, you lose some rights because now you are a representative of a product |
No that is not how rights work. Whether you are a public figure or not all rights apply. A person can say what they like especially in an interview in answer to a question. Their social status does not matter. |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| B.) He isn't a media figure. When you are a public figure, you lose some rights because now you are a representative of a product |
No that is not how rights work. Whether you are a public figure or not all rights apply. A person can say what they like especially in an interview in answer to a question. Their social status does not matter. |
People can say what they like - but there are often repercussions from it.
He said what he wanted to, and the network suspended him - both seem to be very much within their rights. Or are you trying to say the network had no right to suspend him/terminate him? |
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archaeologist5
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| Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| People can say what they like - but there are often repercussions from it. |
But that doesn't make the repercussions correct or justified.
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| He said what he wanted to, and the network suspended him - both seem to be very much within their rights. Or are you trying to say the network had no right to suspend him/terminate him? |
Only if you want to put words into my mouth. I didn't say anything about the network but spoke only about rights and how they apply.
But let's consider your point. It all depends. In this given example, no the network had no right to suspend Robertson because their reaction was based upon social pressure not justice, an actual law violation, and it was done to keep a perceived image.
There was nothing in Robertson's words that warranted such action but since people these days like to distort and re-interpret other people's words the network's reaction was against the distortion of his words not what was really said.
This distortion and re-interpretation of other people's words is a big problem and is used to bully those people who a). bring the truth, b) disagree with the one doing the bullying.
In this case, the homosexual community did not like to hear the truth and took action in order to pursue their lifestyle guilt free and in delusion.
What makes it even more wrong is that the homosexual community has often claimed to be the victim of bullying, harassment, discrimination and so on; yet when the shoe is on the other foot, they do not treat people who disagree with them how they desire to be treated but take up the mantle of the inquisitors and bully, harass, discriminate against those they claim have offended them.
If someone was a psychologist this whole scenario would be a great case study in hypocrisy and doing unto others as they have been done unto. |
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crescent
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Two things:
1 . archaeologist5 is most likely the resident sock manufacturer , and pretend college grad, D. Theissen.
2. This thread prompted me to download a few episodes. Hillbilly nonsense aside, it's completely clear that Duck Dynasty is 100% staged and mostly scripted. You can see the Robertsons reading their lines as they sit for their solo interviews.
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