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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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Given that its in Flushing, there is a fair chance that the McD's owner is Korean as well. Maybe there is some behind the scenes whathaveyou going on.
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I initially thought this too, but I read the owner's name in one story and it wasn't Korean. The article also said that this behavior has picked up in the last few months, with the old guys coming in at 5 am. This is a home heating issue. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Here in town, when the weather is tolerable you see old people come out to the main park early in the morning and just sit there together all day, often barely even conversing, mostly just watching other people go by. It sounds like this is something similar. Sure, they could go to the senior center, but there's no passersby to watch at the senior center, and I suspect that's no small part of what they're after. McDonald's is actually a pretty logical location for their probable objectives, given how busy it is, though I can understand why it's frustrating for the owner.
Ultimately, though, I don't see what there is to negotiate. In America, you don't have a right to sit endlessly in a restaurant. If anything it sounds like the restaurant owner has been excessive generous thus far, given at least some of the behavior mentioned (throwing coffee?) seems to warrant outright bans on future service. |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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If you read the comments left under that article you can see that the squatters aren't getting any sympathy. Age is abused in Korea as a means of demanding respect, of demanding privilege, and as a means of excusing bad behavior. It doesn't work that way in the States. And it's not a case of disrespecting the elderly. It's a case of not respecting bad behavior. Age is not the trump card in the West that it is in Korea. There are many factors that go into determining whether one deserves respect. Decent behavior when interacting with other people is one. Age is another - but if an elderly person is behaving badly his claim to respect goes down markedly. That respect gets transferred to the twelve year old kid who speaks politely and shows a modicum of consideration for other people.
Throwing coffeee on the manager? Really? I don't care how old you are I'm charging you with assault. If you ask me, the McDonalds owner has been far too lenient. He owes it to his staff to deal with these characters decisively. Maybe after the coffee throwing incident he should have put a sign on the window that said; "No Koreans allowed. You are all guilty." Or maybe one that stated, "White face only." Perhaps have immigration do a swoop and demand to see their visas. Those who have legitimate visas can return to McD's after they have their documents apostilled and stamped. Throwing liquids on the staff? Sorry, but we're going to require an aids test from all Koreans entering the store. Oh, and please don't be upset if we participate in a documentary about sex crimes committed by elderly Korean customers who frequent McDonalds. If it doesn't describe 'you' please don't get offended. Oh, and if you've squatted at other locations in town, or at a Dunkin Donuts or Burger King, we're going to need reference letters from them in a sealed envelope sent to our address. Those locations no longer exist? You can't possibly get a sealed reference letter. We're so sorry about that. Please understand our culture. The door is over there. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Smithington wrote: |
If you read the comments left under that article you can see that the squatters aren't getting any sympathy. Age is abused in Korea as a means of demanding respect, of demanding privilege, and as a means of excusing bad behavior. It doesn't work that way in the States. And it's not a case of disrespecting the elderly. It's a case of not respecting bad behavior. Age is not the trump card in the West that it is in Korea. There are many factors that go into determining whether one deserves respect. Decent behavior when interacting with other people is one. Age is another - but if an elderly person is behaving badly his claim to respect goes down markedly. That respect gets transferred to the twelve year old kid who speaks politely and shows a modicum of consideration for other people.
Throwing coffeee on the manager? Really? I don't care how old you are I'm charging you with assault. If you ask me the McDonalds owner has been far too lenient. He owes it to his staff to deal with these characters decisively. Maybe after the coffee throwing incident he should have put a sign on the window that said; "No Koreans allowed. You are all guilty." Or maybe one that stated, "White face only." Perhaps have immigration do a swoop and demand to see their visas. Those who have legitimate visas can return to McD's after they have their documents apostilled and stamped. Throwing liquids on the staff? Sorry, but we're going to require an aids test from all Koreans entering the store. Oh, and please don't be upset if we participate in a documentary about sex crimes committed by elderly Korean customers who frequent McDonalds. If it doesn't describe 'you' please don't get offended. Oh, and if you've squatted at other locations in town, or at a Dunkin Donuts or Burger King, we're going to need reference letters from them in a sealed envelope sent to our address. Those locations no longer exist? You can't possibly get a sealed reference letter. We're so sorry about that. Please understand our culture. The door is over there. |
It's probably just a racist Chinese (Jack Bert sounds Chinese, right) owner that the 'victims' are acting out against, lol. |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Throwing coffeee on the manager? Really? I don't care how old you are I'm charging you with assault. If you ask me, the McDonalds owner has been far too lenient. He owes it to his staff to deal with these characters decisively. Maybe after the coffee throwing incident he should have put a sign on the window that said; "No Koreans allowed. You are all guilty." . |
Bah - you were doing so well until this point.
Let's just say that banning people based on their nationality/race in USA these days would not bode well (and that's actually a good thing).
It is feasible to ban specific people though - it is private property after all. When the police were called over, the manager/owner could have asked them to ban the elders in question from further entry to the premises of this McDonalds branch. |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| Smithington wrote: |
Throwing coffeee on the manager? Really? I don't care how old you are I'm charging you with assault. If you ask me, the McDonalds owner has been far too lenient. He owes it to his staff to deal with these characters decisively. Maybe after the coffee throwing incident he should have put a sign on the window that said; "No Koreans allowed. You are all guilty." . |
Bah - you were doing so well until this point.
Let's just say that banning people based on their nationality/race in USA these days would not bode well (and that's actually a good thing).
It is feasible to ban specific people though - it is private property after all. When the police were called over, the manager/owner could have asked them to ban the elders in question from further entry to the premises of this McDonalds branch. |
I was joking. It was a reference to the "No Americans allowed. You are all guilty" signs that went up on restaurant windows in Seoul some years ago after two Korean girls were killed in a traffic accident involving a US Army vehicle. It didn't think that needed explaining.  |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| Entitled dicks. That is all. |
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Ralph Winfield
Joined: 23 Apr 2013
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| Smithington wrote: |
If you read the comments left under that article you can see that the squatters aren't getting any sympathy. Age is abused in Korea as a means of demanding respect, of demanding privilege, and as a means of excusing bad behavior. It doesn't work that way in the States. And it's not a case of disrespecting the elderly. It's a case of not respecting bad behavior. Age is not the trump card in the West that it is in Korea. There are many factors that go into determining whether one deserves respect. Decent behavior when interacting with other people is one. Age is another - but if an elderly person is behaving badly his claim to respect goes down markedly. That respect gets transferred to the twelve year old kid who speaks politely and shows a modicum of consideration for other people.
Throwing coffeee on the manager? Really? I don't care how old you are I'm charging you with assault. If you ask me, the McDonalds owner has been far too lenient. He owes it to his staff to deal with these characters decisively. Maybe after the coffee throwing incident he should have put a sign on the window that said; "No Koreans allowed. You are all guilty." Or maybe one that stated, "White face only." Perhaps have immigration do a swoop and demand to see their visas. Those who have legitimate visas can return to McD's after they have their documents apostilled and stamped. Throwing liquids on the staff? Sorry, but we're going to require an aids test from all Koreans entering the store. Oh, and please don't be upset if we participate in a documentary about sex crimes committed by elderly Korean customers who frequent McDonalds. If it doesn't describe 'you' please don't get offended. Oh, and if you've squatted at other locations in town, or at a Dunkin Donuts or Burger King, we're going to need reference letters from them in a sealed envelope sent to our address. Those locations no longer exist? You can't possibly get a sealed reference letter. We're so sorry about that. Please understand our culture. The door is over there. |
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Ralph Winfield
Joined: 23 Apr 2013
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| Smithington wrote: |
| maximmm wrote: |
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Throwing coffeee on the manager? Really? I don't care how old you are I'm charging you with assault. If you ask me, the McDonalds owner has been far too lenient. He owes it to his staff to deal with these characters decisively. Maybe after the coffee throwing incident he should have put a sign on the window that said; "No Koreans allowed. You are all guilty." . |
Bah - you were doing so well until this point.
Let's just say that banning people based on their nationality/race in USA these days would not bode well (and that's actually a good thing).
It is feasible to ban specific people though - it is private property after all. When the police were called over, the manager/owner could have asked them to ban the elders in question from further entry to the premises of this McDonalds branch. |
I was joking. It was a reference to the "No Americans allowed. You are all guilty" signs that went up on restaurant windows in Seoul some years ago after two Korean girls were killed in a traffic accident involving a US Army vehicle. It didn't think that needed explaining. |
Right on, Smithington, and were not the 2 drivers non-Americans from The Dominican Republic or some other country? |
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joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| I saw this in Montreal. A McDonald's full of lots of old-timers who seemed to stay a long time, not buying anything except maybe a coffee. Once or twice the coffee was free too. |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| I saw this in Montreal. A McDonald's full of lots of old-timers who seemed to stay a long time, not buying anything except maybe a coffee. Once or twice the coffee was free too. |
What constitutes "a long time" in your story? And how long were you sitting there if you were able to observe this?
You worked at McDonalds, didn't you.  |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| You never want to annoy or anger the person who prepares or serves your food or drinks. I wouldn't take a sip out of their coffee cup for $100. I've heard too many stories from friends who have worked in food service, and a disproportionate amount of posts on http://www.reddit.com/r/pettyrevenge seem to be from restaurant employees as well. |
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joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| Smithington wrote: |
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| I saw this in Montreal. A McDonald's full of lots of old-timers who seemed to stay a long time, not buying anything except maybe a coffee. Once or twice the coffee was free too. |
What constitutes "a long time" in your story? And how long were you sitting there if you were able to observe this?
You worked at McDonalds, didn't you. |
I'm not sure how long they stayed, really. Some stayed for hours no doubt. Just always seemed full of old guys. I'd go visit my brother and pass by there a couple of times, several hours apart. It was kind of a poor area of Montreal, I guess, if that means anything.
Is working at McDonald's funny somehow? |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| joelove wrote: |
| Smithington wrote: |
| joelove wrote: |
| I saw this in Montreal. A McDonald's full of lots of old-timers who seemed to stay a long time, not buying anything except maybe a coffee. Once or twice the coffee was free too. |
What constitutes "a long time" in your story? And how long were you sitting there if you were able to observe this?
You worked at McDonalds, didn't you. |
I'm not sure how long they stayed, really. Some stayed for hours no doubt. Just always seemed full of old guys. I'd go visit my brother and pass by there a couple of times, several hours apart. It was kind of a poor area of Montreal, I guess, if that means anything.
Is working at McDonald's funny somehow? |
The thing is, I don't think there is anywhere in Montreal that is as busy as Flushing Main St., with the possible exception of the area around St. Cat's and University on a summer day. I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison. |
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