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Jongno2bucheon
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All those north korean refugees in korea should just make a north korean beer and sell it.
All the majors control distribution so craft beers stand little chance of making it big
Big korean chaebols bully the little businesses until they are out of business. Not surprised at some of the big beer bottler tactics to keep it that way |
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goat
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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Before I got knocked up I used to buy all of the cans of 7 Brau from the CU next to my apartment. It's not the best, but not the worst, but I definitely preferred it over the usual K-beer.
As I was apparently the only person who bought them, but am cut off from booze for a bit, now they just sit in the cooler as the Korean college kids in my neighborhood opt for Cass/Hite/OB or the occasional Miller Genuine Draft.
It brings a tear to my eye. |
Before you got knocked up? |
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:32 am Post subject: |
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"A Suntory/Bell's Two-Hearted/Wiehenstephaner Heffeweissen/Magic Hat #9/Third Coast/Negra Modelo/Tetley's wouldn't go down well with Samgyupsal or Dalkgalbi. In that case, bring on the Hite."
This is a load of crap and you know it. I mean SUCH a load of crap. So only crappy beer goes with grilled meat? Give me a freakin break dude. And this coming from someone I'm guessing is from Michigan and who was sporting a Hopslam avatar?
For shame. |
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:34 am Post subject: |
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The real problem isnt the beer, its the transportation and cooling method.
Beer here is transported in the back of an open topped truck exposed to the sun and heat. Alone this is enough to ruin even the best of beers. Being Skunked is a real thing and any thing that you drink in a bottle in Korea has already been skunked, 100% of the time. Beer in a keg will fare better, but its not not a perfect solution.
Combine that with the distinct lack of any cooling room / chiller being used anywhere and you have some pretty shit beer overall.
While cass/OB/hite are not good beers by any stretch of the imitation, they would at least be half drinkable bad beers if the transportation wasn't as 3rd world as it is. |
Actually beer doesn't get skunked by heat or change in temperature, that is an old myth. Beer does get skunked by sunlight though, hence why most beer bottles are brown as they offer the most protection (though not as well as cans.) |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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"A Suntory/Bell's Two-Hearted/Wiehenstephaner Heffeweissen/Magic Hat #9/Third Coast/Negra Modelo/Tetley's wouldn't go down well with Samgyupsal or Dalkgalbi. In that case, bring on the Hite."
This is a load of crap and you know it. I mean SUCH a load of crap. So only crappy beer goes with grilled meat? Give me a freakin break dude. And this coming from someone I'm guessing is from Michigan and who was sporting a Hopslam avatar?
For shame. |
Would you drink one of those fine beers with dalkgalbi or kimchichigae or bulgogi? It just doesn't match. It would be like a Tetley's with Chinese food or a Heffeweissen at a Tex-Mex place. It just wouldn't match. Bell's Oberon at a German place? A Trappist Ale with Indian food?
It's the reason that with American Chinese food Pepsi is the correct choice, and Coke does not match. Dr. Pepper with Taco Bell. Why a Diet Coke and not regular goes into a Long Island and why Vernor's is best enjoyed on its own.
Fact is, that Korean food, especially the gochujanged kind, necessitates a watery, bland, effervescent, beer or soju. They do match. |
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Hokie21 wrote: |
"A Suntory/Bell's Two-Hearted/Wiehenstephaner Heffeweissen/Magic Hat #9/Third Coast/Negra Modelo/Tetley's wouldn't go down well with Samgyupsal or Dalkgalbi. In that case, bring on the Hite."
This is a load of crap and you know it. I mean SUCH a load of crap. So only crappy beer goes with grilled meat? Give me a freakin break dude. And this coming from someone I'm guessing is from Michigan and who was sporting a Hopslam avatar?
For shame. |
Would you drink one of those fine beers with dalkgalbi or kimchichigae or bulgogi? It just doesn't match. It would be like a Tetley's with Chinese food or a Heffeweissen at a Tex-Mex place. It just wouldn't match. Bell's Oberon at a German place? A Trappist Ale with Indian food?
It's the reason that with American Chinese food Pepsi is the correct choice, and Coke does not match. Dr. Pepper with Taco Bell. Why a Diet Coke and not regular goes into a Long Island and why Vernor's is best enjoyed on its own.
Fact is, that Korean food, especially the gochujanged kind, necessitates a watery, bland, effervescent, beer or soju. They do match. |
I'm sorry but I still disagree. We are talking about dalkgalbi, bulgogi and samgyupsal here....grilled meat (OK in dalkgalbi it's spicy chicken.)
People don't drink Hite or Cass and soju with their galbi or samgyupsal because it "pairs well." They drink it because that is all you can get at 90% of Korean restaurants.
You're basically saying that only crappy macrobeer goes well with grilled meats? I guess by that rationale when you return home and go to steakhouse you'll pair it up with a Coors Light? Are you telling me that when you eat a spicy chicken dish at home you won't pair it up with an IPA or a Pale Ale? Or a Bell's Brown Ale with sausage or pork?
Go to Bell's website if you don't believe me, they will tell you that pairing a Hopslam with a rib eye is the perfect combination.
I'm not saying anything controversial here, there are literally hundreds of websites out there devoted to beer and food pairings. I hear Coors Light goes really well with some Funyuns and a Charleston Chew.
But hey, at the end of the day all that matters is that you enjoy what you're drinking. If you can enjoy a Hite with your galbi or bulgogi then more power to yah. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| We need a Charleston Chew thread. If we can have refried beans, etc. why not a classic like Charleston Chew? I like mine frozen and all chocolate. |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| SeoulNate wrote: |
The real problem isnt the beer, its the transportation and cooling method.
Beer here is transported in the back of an open topped truck exposed to the sun and heat. Alone this is enough to ruin even the best of beers. Being Skunked is a real thing and any thing that you drink in a bottle in Korea has already been skunked, 100% of the time. Beer in a keg will fare better, but its not not a perfect solution.
Combine that with the distinct lack of any cooling room / chiller being used anywhere and you have some pretty shit beer overall.
While cass/OB/hite are not good beers by any stretch of the imitation, they would at least be half drinkable bad beers if the transportation wasn't as 3rd world as it is. |
Actually beer doesn't get skunked by heat or change in temperature, that is an old myth. Beer does get skunked by sunlight though, hence why most beer bottles are brown as they offer the most protection (though not as well as cans.) |
Yup, it's also called suntouched in a few places instead of skunked. Strong Ultraviolet light basically ruins beers. However, heat will also ruin the taste if its extreme. Say, staying in the back of a pickup truck for hours in the boiling heat of summer. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:35 am Post subject: |
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| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
All those north korean refugees in korea should just make a north korean beer and sell it.
All the majors control distribution so craft beers stand little chance of making it big
Big korean chaebols bully the little businesses until they are out of business. Not surprised at some of the big beer bottler tactics to keep it that way |
You mean like this NK beer you can purchase near the DMZ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em3Tlqd8-48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSKKFGx4ls |
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johnny_russian
Joined: 24 Dec 2012
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Just stopping in to say i'm amazed they haven't called this Lottebeer 
"buy a bulgogi burger at Lotteria and get a 1+1 Lottebeer!"  |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| dairyairy wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
All those north korean refugees in korea should just make a north korean beer and sell it.
All the majors control distribution so craft beers stand little chance of making it big
Big korean chaebols bully the little businesses until they are out of business. Not surprised at some of the big beer bottler tactics to keep it that way |
You mean like this NK beer you can purchase near the DMZ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em3Tlqd8-48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSKKFGx4ls |
I havent tried it but yeah! I want to buy it and brag its better than south korean beer, but then i will be supporting the nk regime make money. So i really really wish nk refugees would make similiar beer and then i would be helping them, especially since they are heavily discriminated against in korea. It would be killing two bird with one stone. |
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AfroBurrito
Joined: 19 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| goat wrote: |
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Before I got knocked up I used to buy all of the cans of 7 Brau from the CU next to my apartment. It's not the best, but not the worst, but I definitely preferred it over the usual K-beer.
As I was apparently the only person who bought them, but am cut off from booze for a bit, now they just sit in the cooler as the Korean college kids in my neighborhood opt for Cass/Hite/OB or the occasional Miller Genuine Draft.
It brings a tear to my eye. |
Before you got knocked up? |
Would you prefer "before I peed on the stick after my period was late and discovered I was knocked up?"
Pregosaurs can't drink beer. |
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AfroBurrito
Joined: 19 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| Also, I agree with the poster who's stated that Korean food would pair quite nicely with more exotic libation. Alas, the conglomerate beer has brainwashed people into believing otherwise. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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I've tried the more exotic libation with Korean food. It doesn't work anymore than Coca-Cola works with Taco Bell or grape juice works with a full breakfast. I'm sure there might be an exception or two out there, but as far as something that would work, but for now its Korean beers or beers that are similar.
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| People don't drink Hite or Cass and soju with their galbi or samgyupsal because it "pairs well." They drink it because that is all you can get at 90% of Korean restaurants. |
True, but I submit that Hite and Cass and modern soju were developed and brewed with food pairing in mind. Obviously the food came before the alcohol so the alcohol was probably brewed to match the food.
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| You're basically saying that only crappy macrobeer goes well with grilled meats? |
Not all grilled meat is equal. And a Korean meal of samgyupsal or dalkgalbi does not consist solely of grilled meat.
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| I guess by that rationale when you return home and go to steakhouse you'll pair it up with a Coors Light? |
Is Bulgogi or Deungshim a steak? Is the meal in the same fashion? And it depends on the steakhouse, because I might not order beer at all. I'd probably order wine or just water and have a beer after.
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| Are you telling me that when you eat a spicy chicken dish at home you won't pair it up with an IPA or a Pale Ale? |
What kind of spicy chicken? Korean? Indian? Southern Fried? Southern BBQ? Fusion? All depends.
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| Go to Bell's website if you don't believe me, they will tell you that pairing a Hopslam with a rib eye is the perfect combination. |
I'm sure it can be. I always enjoyed it at a pub, wasn't popular enough at the time I was back home to be offered in restaurants. I have to admit, I would be leery about the strong hops bouquet of the beer overwhelming the taste of the meat. Steak may go well with a Hopslam, but I'm worried that a Hopslam might not go well with the steak.
But a rib-eye steak and bulgogi are not the same thing, even though they may be the same cut.
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| ut hey, at the end of the day all that matters is that you enjoy what you're drinking. If you can enjoy a Hite with your galbi or bulgogi then more power to yah. |
Admittedly, the last time I tried matching outside beer with restaurant food was 2009-2010 when the selection of foreign beer wasn't as good as it is today. But even so, the only thing that came close to working well with Korean food were Bud and MGD and at that point it was like "Why bother?".
Now Korean Fried Chicken is much more open to pairing well with good foreign beer as there are fewer dishes to consider and the flavor of standard fried chicken is not such a harsh contrast to many a beer. You also are perhaps not consuming it as a meal, but rather as a something to munch on while watching baseball at a bar. This of course affects what you can drink. And the reverse holds as well, Korean Fried Chicken is a much better match with that beer you're enjoying, whereas strongly flavored Korean food can ruin your good beer.
I'm looking out for the integrity of both the beer and the food. Korean food can kill your good foreign beer! |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
I've tried the more exotic libation with Korean food. It doesn't work anymore than Coca-Cola works with Taco Bell or grape juice works with a full breakfast. I'm sure there might be an exception or two out there, but as far as something that would work, but for now its Korean beers or beers that are similar.
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| People don't drink Hite or Cass and soju with their galbi or samgyupsal because it "pairs well." They drink it because that is all you can get at 90% of Korean restaurants. |
True, but I submit that Hite and Cass and modern soju were developed and brewed with food pairing in mind. Obviously the food came before the alcohol so the alcohol was probably brewed to match the food.
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| You're basically saying that only crappy macrobeer goes well with grilled meats? |
Not all grilled meat is equal. And a Korean meal of samgyupsal or dalkgalbi does not consist solely of grilled meat.
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| I guess by that rationale when you return home and go to steakhouse you'll pair it up with a Coors Light? |
Is Bulgogi or Deungshim a steak? Is the meal in the same fashion? And it depends on the steakhouse, because I might not order beer at all. I'd probably order wine or just water and have a beer after.
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| Are you telling me that when you eat a spicy chicken dish at home you won't pair it up with an IPA or a Pale Ale? |
What kind of spicy chicken? Korean? Indian? Southern Fried? Southern BBQ? Fusion? All depends.
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| Go to Bell's website if you don't believe me, they will tell you that pairing a Hopslam with a rib eye is the perfect combination. |
I'm sure it can be. I always enjoyed it at a pub, wasn't popular enough at the time I was back home to be offered in restaurants. I have to admit, I would be leery about the strong hops bouquet of the beer overwhelming the taste of the meat. Steak may go well with a Hopslam, but I'm worried that a Hopslam might not go well with the steak.
But a rib-eye steak and bulgogi are not the same thing, even though they may be the same cut.
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| ut hey, at the end of the day all that matters is that you enjoy what you're drinking. If you can enjoy a Hite with your galbi or bulgogi then more power to yah. |
Admittedly, the last time I tried matching outside beer with restaurant food was 2009-2010 when the selection of foreign beer wasn't as good as it is today. But even so, the only thing that came close to working well with Korean food were Bud and MGD and at that point it was like "Why bother?".
Now Korean Fried Chicken is much more open to pairing well with good foreign beer as there are fewer dishes to consider and the flavor of standard fried chicken is not such a harsh contrast to many a beer. You also are perhaps not consuming it as a meal, but rather as a something to munch on while watching baseball at a bar. This of course affects what you can drink. And the reverse holds as well, Korean Fried Chicken is a much better match with that beer you're enjoying, whereas strongly flavored Korean food can ruin your good beer.
I'm looking out for the integrity of both the beer and the food. Korean food can kill your good foreign beer! |
I guess you don't share in the open-mindedness you claim for Koreans.
Good beer or wine goes well with anything. It goes especially well with good food. You seem to be saying Korean food isn't good food.
"The integrity of the food;" you've truly gone off the rails, casey jones. |
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