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jvalmer
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Well...I was watching a bit of the basketball game last night, and from what I saw, the Korean players were basically committing homicide in terms of fouling, especially in the later moments.
The officials were either blind or bribed. |
It wasn't that bad expect for the last minute where two guys were practically raping the Iranian player to take the ball off of him... lol. Korea was called on the foul though. It was a close game for most of the last quarter and the Iranians weren't complaining. So it was hard fought, and yes dirty on both sides, but within the rules.
Anyways, the Koreans were desperate for exemption. You should check out clips of the NBA Summer League sudden death overtimes (yes sudden-death, as in first basket wins). It's freakishly similar. The refs essentially put away their whistles, borderline goal-tending, tripping, there are guys falling everywhere. It's entertaining to watch. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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Ex: At the '88 Olympics boxing tournaments, a ref got assaulted by the Korean coach for making a call he disagreed with, plus the players themselves would throw fits and stay in the ring in protest. Stuff like that sets a certain tone that refs might just instinctively avoid, intentionally or not. Just saying it's a potential factor too, especially on home soil. |
Oh, that story is crazy and much bigger that many people think.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/9779569/When-kill-the-ref-nearly-meant-it-in-Seoul
It wasn't just 'a' coach that assaulted him, it was several. And then a security guard. And then random Koreans as he attempted to flee the building.
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| Shielded by his friends, the Kiwi attempted to exit Ring B - before he was stopped by a security official, who jabbed him in his ribs. Eventually, Walker would make it to the tunnel leading out of the arena - where he was punched by almost every person that passed him. |
He literally had to run to his hotel, grad his stuff and get the next flight out of the country immediately. Australian journalists offered to drive him to Gimpo for his safety.
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| By this time, the New Zealand embassy was receiving death threats on Walker's life - it was time to go. |
I wonder why Koreans expected their guy to win....
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| Walker was offered jewellery, and expensive restaurant dinners before the Games - and knew that corruption was a significant issue there..."We certainly were aware there was games being played, favours being done - and favours being made. We know that now," |
I'm sure those who excuse the Korean fencer who sat and sulked for over an hour after losing (no matter how unfairly) while her coach attacked the officials like to believe it was a rare one off thing, certainly not indicative of a sore losing culture...
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| Back in Ring B, Byun sulked. The bantamweight would sit in the ring for 67 minutes, preventing further bouts from taking place. |
The coaches were "banned" but seen at every bout after that, being allowed in by Korean security. Afterwards they said there was a misunderstanding. Of course.
As for "Dynamite" Kim who pumped up Korean boxing before the 1988 Olympics?
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| "Dynamite" Kim's influence on South Korean boxing finished not long after the Seoul Olympics wrapped up. He remained a powerful business tycoon in Seoul, but was sentenced to a four-year prison spell in 2012 for embezzlement. His sentence was overturned late last year upon review. |
Of course it was.
But I'm sure Koreans have learned their lesson and would never be such sore losers again!
"South Korea Threatens to Boycott Closing Ceremony" (over Ohno's gold)
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/winter02/speed/news?id=1338293
"Ohno Becomes Most Reviled Athlete in South Korea"
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/02/20/ohno-reviled-athlete-south-korea/
Links to stories (in Korean, mostly) about how FIFA had to block access to their site from Korea after they lost to the Swiss in 2006, how netizens tried to 'demand' a rematch, wikipedia manipulations on the ref and cry babying from some players.
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/25/fifa-homepage-blockedkfa-considers-official-protestwiki-warfare/
4 Korean badminton players expelled from 2012 Olympics for match fixing.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/badminton/9443922/Badminton-pairs-expelled-from-London-2012-Olympics-after-match-fixing-scandal.html
But, you know, so much has changed in the last 25 years... |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:59 am Post subject: |
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Just like to point out it wasn't match fixing in the receiving money sense. And it wasn't just the Koreans. It involved the Chinese, and the Indonesians too. They were purposely losing matches, in order to draw a weaker opponent later on.
I'd put the blame more on the officials and their poorly though out format than the athletes on this one. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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Comparing match fixing and stealing signs? Institutionalized fraud and pinching in a scrum? Coaches encouraging cheating and high elbows? Bit of a stretch. The issue of steroids and the whole WWF-style enertainmentization of US sports....let's not start on that. We're talking coaches, kids and cheating. I've played sport my whole life, and the only cheating we were involved in required skill (stealing signs ain't easy!), and that's at the heart of that old saying, man, not putting cheating into the curriculum. When outside agencies control results on a playing field, then the athletics of it all goes out the window. But when we encourage our kids to cheat....c'mon, let's not argue that.
A lot of us ESL aren't bitter (there's your biased, sensationalist media at work), just honest. Poor sportsmanship, cheating and fixing make for frustration, animosity and resentment - not exactly what the Games are supposed to be all about. What happened in Korea in '86, '88 and '02 - and there have been a slew of other incidents over the years in sporting contests - leaves an ugly track record. |
First, thanks for the disclaimer at the end.
I come from the US where institutionalized cheating in athletics is rampant. From concussion cover ups and lenient punishments for wife beaters in the NFL, steroids and the league turning a blind eye in baseball, Tim Donaghy and the NBA, the spectacular mess that is college football and basketball, and all of that. But no one would question America hosting an Olympics or think that that is some part of American culture. It might be the culture of college football or gambling culture, but people would never ascribe it to someone's nationality or ethnicity.
I mean as far as institutionalized cheating, college sports has to take the cake. From football coaches being the highest paid government employees in each state and being borderline de facto governors, to coverups of child sex abuse, to grade-fixing, under-the-table recruiting bribery, hiring hookers to tempt recruits, underage booze being given, drugs laid out, crime coverups, etc. etc.
I just find it odd that the tone of some posts suggests that they think this is a uniquely Korean phenomenon. They also seem to ascribe it to the ethnic culture, something I don't think they'd appreciate if Koreans did to them. It's pretty easy to tell when someone is critiquing some problems here and people who are pretty much engaging in ethnic venting.
As I said, some people might get the impression that things are unique to here or get so wound up in their frustration that they forget things happen back home just the same. I think reminding people of that serves a good purpose and serves as a check against bigotry. |
You begin with nonsense. Concussion cover-ups were until very recently impossible since there were no rules regarding them. Wife-beating is a crime but it isn't cheating. It may be immoral to put such a player on the field but it isn't cheating.
Being the highest paid employee isn't cheating. BTW if they were borderline governors, none of them would be getting fired. And lying, a form of cheating, is one thing that will get a coach fired in a heartbeat, regardless of record. Ask Bobby Petrino.
Not content with your over the top, sanctimonious breast beating, you then go to one of your bread and butter moves and play the race card. And let's not forget the it has to be unique to Korea to be a problem stratagem.
"You really pulled out all the stops, coach sr. Why'd you lose?"
"It all comes down to a lack of execution." |
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