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W.T.Carl
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 Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Strangely enough 3 of the 6 cops, including the ones who were charged with murder and manslaughter are Black. That sure as shootin' doesn't conform to the "evil white devils" narrative, does it?
Like I said before; watch 'The Wire' and you will get an accurate picture of what's goin' down in Baltimore. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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When Congress in 2010 reformed the crack cocaine-powder cocaine sentencing disparity, they did so from a ratio of 100-to-1 to 20-to-1.
https://www.aclu.org/cracks-system-20-years-unjust-federal-crack-cocaine-law
Now show me a "democratic state" that properly reversed this racist policy.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/30/california_crack_cocaine_sentencing_reform_disparity_eliminated.html
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| California has eliminated the legal distinction between cocaine and crack for purposes of criminal sentencing. Gov. Jerry Brown signed the California Fair Sentencing Act on Sunday; the bill alters the state's laws such that identical weights of "cocaine" and "cocaine base" (the legal term that often refers to crack) are treated the same. |
I put "democratic state" in quotes because the partisanship is a distraction promoted by the hardcore racists on this board (Titus, Kepler, stilcho). The prison-industrial complex doesn't fund upon partisan lines.
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| Bum, I did read it, and his other pieces on reparations as well. Kepler is correct, as was Titus, as is the general right wing all the way to fascist. I went back reading through Coates footnotes and the books he quotes. That anyone supports the left wing viewpoint on it just strikes me as crazy. The democratic ethnic machine created these conditions, not "white supremacy" |
Titus supported reparations.
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| Strangely enough 3 of the 6 cops, including the ones who were charged with murder and manslaughter are Black. That sure as shootin' doesn't conform to the "evil white devils" narrative, does it? |
The only people pushing the "'evil white devils' narrative" are the hardcore racists like yourself. Its not like any of you are individually responsible for the public policy, nor do you profit from it.
Blacks are a discrete minority. They're a source of plunder and profit for American corporations and even the State. That's really it. You don't need animus or hate for that, just a shrug and an invocation of the word 'thug.' |
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Has anyone noticed that Baltimore has been under black leadership for the past few decades? That's not an unusual pattern: high black crime rates in cities with black mayors and/or black police chiefs. Yet some people still want to shift the blame to whites. |
Dude, you don't get it. Clearly. Any comment on the Coates article that Plain Meaning posted? Or just going throw out standard/unoriginal lines of argument from the "enlightened" right wing point of view? |
I thought the article lacked coherence. It jumps from slavery to Jim Crow to incarceration of blacks today. I think the way the criminal justice system treats blacks now is largely a reaction to the very high violent crime rates in black communities during the 70's, 80's, and early 90's. I wish America had found a better way to make black communities safer- a way that does not involve locking more people up. However, none of the liberal solutions such as addressing poverty seem to have worked. Liberals got to do plenty of experimenting with their own policies during the first few decades following the passage of the Civil Rights Act. The results were disastrous. Reality must be faced. |
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stilicho25
Joined: 05 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Titus supported reparations so that after minorities failed to succeed many might accept they are biologically inferior. I don't support reperations because from great society onward social policies supported by the "left" have caused more damage then they have fixed. I do not accept a biological cause for poverty in american inner cities. I believe they were made that way through corruption in the Democratic Party. Policy, not DNA is the problem. When plain meaning calls me a racist keep that in mind, it's just the desperate attempt of a liberal to hide the failures of the system he supports. The only ground where Titus and my beliefs have common ground is the belief that liberals use ethnicity and ethnic causes as a smokescreen to hide the fact that their multicultural programs are just wealth extraction devices or ethnic gerrymandering. |
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Plain Meaning wrote: |
When Congress in 2010 reformed the crack cocaine-powder cocaine sentencing disparity, they did so from a ratio of 100-to-1 to 20-to-1.
https://www.aclu.org/cracks-system-20-years-unjust-federal-crack-cocaine-law
Now show me a "democratic state" that properly reversed this racist policy.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/30/california_crack_cocaine_sentencing_reform_disparity_eliminated.html
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| California has eliminated the legal distinction between cocaine and crack for purposes of criminal sentencing. Gov. Jerry Brown signed the California Fair Sentencing Act on Sunday; the bill alters the state's laws such that identical weights of "cocaine" and "cocaine base" (the legal term that often refers to crack) are treated the same. |
I put "democratic state" in quotes because the partisanship is a distraction promoted by the hardcore racists on this board (Titus, Kepler, stilcho). The prison-industrial complex doesn't fund upon partisan lines.
| stilicho25 wrote: |
| Bum, I did read it, and his other pieces on reparations as well. Kepler is correct, as was Titus, as is the general right wing all the way to fascist. I went back reading through Coates footnotes and the books he quotes. That anyone supports the left wing viewpoint on it just strikes me as crazy. The democratic ethnic machine created these conditions, not "white supremacy" |
Titus supported reparations. |
Interestingly, the Congressional Black Caucus was a strong supporter of that "racist" policy. Furthermore, the majority of meth defendants are white and the penalties are equally harsh.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewsubcategory.asp?id=1632 |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| Kepler wrote: |
| Plain Meaning wrote: |
When Congress in 2010 reformed the crack cocaine-powder cocaine sentencing disparity, they did so from a ratio of 100-to-1 to 20-to-1.
https://www.aclu.org/cracks-system-20-years-unjust-federal-crack-cocaine-law
Now show me a "democratic state" that properly reversed this racist policy.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/30/california_crack_cocaine_sentencing_reform_disparity_eliminated.html
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| California has eliminated the legal distinction between cocaine and crack for purposes of criminal sentencing. Gov. Jerry Brown signed the California Fair Sentencing Act on Sunday; the bill alters the state's laws such that identical weights of "cocaine" and "cocaine base" (the legal term that often refers to crack) are treated the same. |
I put "democratic state" in quotes because the partisanship is a distraction promoted by the hardcore racists on this board (Titus, Kepler, stilcho). The prison-industrial complex doesn't fund upon partisan lines.
| stilicho25 wrote: |
| Bum, I did read it, and his other pieces on reparations as well. Kepler is correct, as was Titus, as is the general right wing all the way to fascist. I went back reading through Coates footnotes and the books he quotes. That anyone supports the left wing viewpoint on it just strikes me as crazy. The democratic ethnic machine created these conditions, not "white supremacy" |
Titus supported reparations. |
Interestingly, the Congressional Black Caucus was a strong supporter of that "racist" policy. Furthermore, the majority of meth defendants are white and the penalties are equally harsh.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewsubcategory.asp?id=1632 |
I think it says a lot about your position that you believe that whatever the CBC purportedly supports thereby cannot be racist. The position in the 1980s of eleven politicians who may or may not be black (of a total of twenty-one black politicians) does not bear on whether the policy was racist.
http://www.businessinsider.sg/rand-paul-rolls-out-crack-cocaine-disparity-bill-in-pitch-to-black-voters-2014-7/#.VUTDVvmqqko
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“Three out of four people in prison right now for nonviolent crimes are black or brown. Our prisons are bursting with young men of color and our communities are full of broken families. Yet studies show that white kids use illegal drugs just as much,” Paul said.
Drug reform advocates argue these white drug users are more likely to use powdered cocaine and therefore face less prison time compared to crack cocaine users when they are caught. In a somewhat unusual move for a a pol looking at running in a Republican presidential primary, Paul embraced this argument and announced new legislation to address the disparity.
“Frankly it’s easier to arrest poor kids in urban environments,” Paul said. “The disparity though in sentencing between powdered and crack cocaine is now less glaring than it used to be. But there’s still a disparity. We should free those sentenced under the old guidelines. In addition I want to go one step farther. Today I am announcing legislation that will be introduced today that eliminates any disparity between crack and powdered cocaine.” |
What can we conclude from Rand Paul's position? He is a Republican after all. It must be that if even he opposes it, it is thereby bad, or maybe even racist. |
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Brooks
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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O'Malley wanted to reduce crime when he was mayor.
He looked to New York where murders and crime went down.
He is white and got elected in 2001. As the black population in the city of Baltimore is 63%, he needed a lot of black votes.
Crime did decrease when he was mayor but the cops got too aggressive and what we see today is a reflection of that.
Back in 1995 when I was living in Maryland I heard of dead black men being found in parks in West Baltimore. Clearly the drug crime was out of control.
Freddie Gray sold drugs but there was no reason to do anything since he was not committing a crime.
Of the 6 officers three are black so you could say that it is not racism but a result of bad policing.
Gray did not have a seatbelt on. He had to endure a "rough ride" and later he had trouble breathing and he got no medical attention.
Clearly this is a homicide. Marilyn Mosby, the state prosecuter, is right to charge the officers and have them suspended.
Of course when the unemployment rate for blacks is double that of whites,
and the quality of education in Baltimore city schools is poor due to the loss of the tax base due to white flight to the suburbs, that is the crux of the issue.
When there were a lot of factory jobs, there were better black marriages.
When there is unemployment, there are more single parent families and more poverty.
Affirmative action has only helped the black middle class.
Since King and Robert Kennedy got shot in 1968 the nation has ignored the problem of poverty in a land of plenty.
Obama looks pretty bad as he has finally spoke on this issue.
Obama sounds more like Booker T. Washington than Martin Luther King
and he doesn't seem to care about black Americans since he really isn't one of them. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Brooks wrote: |
O'Malley wanted to reduce crime when he was mayor.
He looked to New York where murders and crime went down.
He is white and got elected in 2001. As the black population in the city of Baltimore is 63%, he needed a lot of black votes.
Crime did decrease when he was mayor but the cops got too aggressive and what we see today is a reflection of that.
Back in 1995 when I was living in Maryland I heard of dead black men being found in parks in West Baltimore. Clearly the drug crime was out of control.
Freddie Gray sold drugs but there was no reason to do anything since he was not committing a crime.
Of the 6 officers three are black so you could say that it is not racism but a result of bad policing.
Gray did not have a seatbelt on. He had to endure a "rough ride" and later he had trouble breathing and he got no medical attention.
Clearly this is a homicide. Marilyn Mosby, the state prosecuter, is right to charge the officers and have them suspended.
Of course when the unemployment rate for blacks is double that of whites,
and the quality of education in Baltimore city schools is poor due to the loss of the tax base due to white flight to the suburbs, that is the crux of the issue.
When there were a lot of factory jobs, there were better black marriages.
When there is unemployment, there are more single parent families and more poverty.
Affirmative action has only helped the black middle class.
Since King and Robert Kennedy got shot in 1968 the nation has ignored the problem of poverty in a land of plenty.
Obama looks pretty bad as he has finally spoke on this issue.
Obama sounds more like Booker T. Washington than Martin Luther King
and he doesn't seem to care about black Americans since he really isn't one of them. |
Thanks for this post full of facts and context and knowledge of Baltimore and the circumstances surrounding Freddie Gray. |
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Brooks
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 4:35 am Post subject: |
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Go back to 2000 when there were a lot of homicides and drug crime.
People regardless of their color wanted streets to be safe.
The idea of new policing was executed from William Bratton who was the NY police commissioner. He made Giuliani look good.
Philadelphia first copied this then Baltimore.
The broken window theory is that the cops have to cut down hard on minor offenses. Cops have access to meta-data where they keep track of all crimes in the city and know which neighborhoods to target.
But, instead of community policing, where the officers know their neighborhood, Baltimore gets cops who just cruise by in their cars,
and they don't interact with community people.
Now we get racial profiling of people who in the past had committed non-violent crime like selling drugs, but he was arrested for merely being black, for being a potential criminal.
Freddie Gray saw cops and ran. He spine was broken.
People turn to a life of crime and drugs if they have no other option. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| Brooks wrote: |
The broken window theory is that the cops have to cut down hard on minor offenses. Cops have access to meta-data where they keep track of all crimes in the city and know which neighborhoods to target.
But, instead of community policing, where the officers know their neighborhood, Baltimore gets cops who just cruise by in their cars,
and they don't interact with community people.
Now we get racial profiling of people who in the past had committed non-violent crime like selling drugs, but he was arrested for merely being black, for being a potential criminal.
Freddie Gray saw cops and ran. He spine was broken.
People turn to a life of crime and drugs if they have no other option. |
If DC wasn't the hub of the federal government, I am pretty sure the same would have happened here. DC and Baltimore were very similar in the 1990s, and many complain about the police here having the same tactics (just cruise by in their cars and do little else), but thanks to the flood of money into DC and super fast gentrification, the District looks like all is well. Of course that's just the image, and the local police have all kinds of problems, and morale is in the dumps due in part to the Chief and her pals being stereotypical bad upper management. On the other hand, maybe compared to the BPD, they're not that bad. The BPD police chief was previously the chief in Oakland. Whoever decided to bring him to Baltimore should have their head examined. The OPD has a reputation of being one of the worst police forces in the country (despite being one of the most highly paid)... |
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Brooks
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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They don't call it Jokeland for nothing.
But I don't think being a cop would be easy but the excessive use of force is too much.
Black men get busted and then white men get off lightly.
O'Malley is going to run for president now.
He talked about the lives he saved by the tough policing.
But some black men have to die so other black men can live?
Twisted logic. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| If you want to know why there's so much crime in in cities like Baltimore, look no further than the loss of good paying union jobs to tourist trap BS. Take away good jobs and industry, and you get people turning to crime/drugs to make a decent dollar to survive on. |
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Kepler
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| Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Rivals gangs united to protect black owned businesses and target the businesses of other minorities.
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He described how he and some Bloods members stood in front of stores that they knew were black-owned business, to protect them from looting and vandalism. He said they made sure no black youths, or reporters, were injured by rioters.
Instead, he said, they pointed the rioters toward Chinese- and Arab-owned stores.
Freddie Gray’s death, he said, had brought Baltimore’s violent gangs together. |
http://www.nytimes.com/live/confrontation-in-baltimore/church-leaders-gang-members-meet/ |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/05/dea-still-cant-tell-senate-left-innocent-student-survive/
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During an obscure Senate hearing on Tuesday morning, lawmakers vented their frustrations with the Drug Enforcement Agency for failing to answer questions about an incident that saw a man almost die of dehydration while in its custody.
“At what point do I have to conclude that the [Drug Enforcement Agency] is hiding something about what happened here?” asked Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, unsuccessfully prodding a DEA witness to explain why Senate inquiries into what happened to Daniel Chong have been met with silence. |
Personally, I blame the population which keeps electing Dem politicians. |
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