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GENO123
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I'm 'rollin'
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you left out the "T" before ' rollin. |
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Fallacy
Joined: 29 Jun 2015
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| Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:23 pm Post subject: RE: University Requirements Going Up |
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| Not one mention of demographics in 3 pages of this thread. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: |
| Maybe the Korean teachers know which of 'regardless' and 'irregardless' to use? |
I saw what you did there. Nicely done. |
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JohnML
Joined: 05 Jul 2015
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| Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: |
| Maybe the Korean teachers know which of 'regardless' and 'irregardless' to use? |
It's cool you can pick up on typos and make quip remarks on a forum. I suppose in your own world that somehow makes up for your lack of talent in pretty much anything else, it isn't drowning out the waft of low paid & bitter NET teacher though.
| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| Some Korean teachers are good, some aren't and some are average just like Native Speaker teachers. Some of them are good because they've been teaching a long time and some aren't for the same reason. I know this because I observe Korean teachers for a living not because I happen to know a couple socially. At least with a native speaker you can rely on two things. Their English will be native speaker level and they (probably) won't conduct most of the lesson in Korean. In my experience these are pretty rare traits among Korean English teachers. |
Well for once buddy I agree with you but I'd add a third reliable trait to the native teacher, he's also more expensive - in some cases MUCH more (the good ones usually are). Which the Koreans have decided isn't worth it. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Well for once buddy I agree with you but I'd add a third reliable trait to the native teacher, he's also more expensive - in some cases MUCH more (the good ones usually are). Which the Koreans have decided isn't worth it. |
Fine, well in that case they'll have to be satisfied with public schools churning out students who can analayse English grammar in great detail in their own language, and act like rabbits caught in headlights whenever they're asked a simple question by a native speaker. |
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tophatcat
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:22 am Post subject: |
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Sure. There are jobs being offered for 2.2.
However, there is a demand for highly skilled teachers who have a record and reputation for producing dynamic results in English education. These teachers are in the Yearly +100 Million Club.
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 3:43 am Post subject: |
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However, there is a demand for highly skilled teachers who have a record and reputation for producing dynamic results in English education. These teachers are in the Yearly +100 Million Club.
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Maybe but 100 million + a year would be small potatoes to super teachers like this guy
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmarshallcrotty/2013/08/11/south-korean-tutor-makes-4-million-a-year-can-you/
At the end of the day the majority of Koreans still think the best way to get good at a foreign language is have another Korean speak to them in Korean about it. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| And they very well may be right. Remember when you made a go at learning the Korean language? You said it was such a relief to have the lesson all in English (at the Sookmyung Saturday classes). |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| At the end of the day the majority of Koreans still think the best way to get good at a foreign language is have another Korean speak to them in Korean about it. |
This represents a shift in thinking. A couple of years ago this wasn't the case. But now...no one's going to approach you on the street and offer you money to have a conversation with them.
I have a friend who works in an area of Korea so rural there are only six other Westerners nearby. Every single one works in a public school...even though there are English hagwons in the town.
You know how many of her students attend an English academy? Over one half. A significant number have Filipino Skype tutors, too, which costs the parents about $5 per hour. None have a private Western tutor in person though. (The Westerners aren't teaching privates, or at least they said that to her.) But if the parents wanted a Westerner for private tutoring, they could get a qualified one on Skype for $10-$15 an hour. Anyways, loads of Korean kids learn English in hagwons taught by fellow Koreans. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| And they very well may be right. Remember when you made a go at learning the Korean language? You said it was such a relief to have the lesson all in English (at the Sookmyung Saturday classes). |
No I didn't. You're usually pretty good at recalling things posters said ages ago but you got this one wrong. What I probably said was I think at a complete beginner stage it's useful to have someone who can explain things in your own language but post elementary I'd rather ditch it. Which is how they operate at Sookmyung actually. And their classes aren't on Saturday.
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| his represents a shift in thinking. A couple of years ago this wasn't the case. But now...no one's going to approach you on the street and offer you money to have a conversation with them. |
Perhaps I should have qualified what I said. At the end of the day the majority of Koreans still think that the best way to get good at a foreign language in academic terms is to get a Korean to speak Korean to them. In practical terms they still know deep down they need native speakers.
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I have a friend who works in an area of Korea so rural there are only six other Westerners nearby. Every single one works in a public school...even though there are English hagwons in the town.
You know how many of her students attend an English academy? Over one half. A significant number have Filipino Skype tutors, too, which costs the parents about $5 per hour. None have a private Western tutor in person though. (The Westerners aren't teaching privates, or at least they said that to her.) But if the parents wanted a Westerner for private tutoring, they could get a qualified one on Skype for $10-$15 an hour. Anyways, loads of Korean kids learn English in hagwons taught by fellow Koreans. |
Korean public schools have always offered better packages than hagwans. You don't think that the reason why no Westerners work in the private sector in that area is because no one wanted to? Teachers apply to work for Epik/Gepik etc.. and get placed in rural areas contrary to their wishes, but how many people apply to hagwans in the back end of beyond? |
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Fuzzy_Dunlop
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| JohnML wrote: |
| Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: |
| Maybe the Korean teachers know which of 'regardless' and 'irregardless' to use? |
It's cool you can pick up on typos and make quip remarks on a forum. I suppose in your own world that somehow makes up for your lack of talent in pretty much anything else, it isn't drowning out the waft of low paid & bitter NET teacher though.
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I am neither bitter nor am I low paid. I could also walk away from ELT and make a few bucks in the other field I am highly qualified and experienced in. It's simply not true that English teachers don't know how to do anything else. But you need that false premise to prop up your argument. However, I don't think it's appropriate to brag about salary or make people feel like crap about themselves or their circumstances.
You see, I took a page out of your book. I joined a McDonalds servers discussion board. Then I went there and told them how I much I earn in ELT and how crap their jobs were. But it didn't make feel good. It made me feel like an obnoxious ass.
Finally...you know, and I know, that you didn't make a typo. You didn't spell the word incorrectly. You used the wrong word. But you, being you, probably could care less what I think. |
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JohnML
Joined: 05 Jul 2015
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| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| tophatcat wrote: |
Sure. There are jobs being offered for 2.2.
However, there is a demand for highly skilled teachers who have a record and reputation for producing dynamic results in English education. These teachers are in the Yearly +100 Million Club.
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This is total nonsense and everyone knows it. There is absolutely not anything remotely resembling a high demand for English teachers on 100 mil+ salaries, this is "smh" material. There is a decent/large demand for English teachers on 24 million/year salaries. There is barely any demand for English teachers above 35 million/year. Are you actually aware you are completely misleading people with this? Same goes to many of these people who are quoting ridiculous salaries. To feed your ego, you are misleading other people. Often a double lie quoting salaries you have "heard" of but aren't earning anywhere near.
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| JohnML wrote: |
| Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: |
| Maybe the Korean teachers know which of 'regardless' and 'irregardless' to use? |
It's cool you can pick up on typos and make quip remarks on a forum. I suppose in your own world that somehow makes up for your lack of talent in pretty much anything else, it isn't drowning out the waft of low paid & bitter NET teacher though.
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I am neither bitter nor am I low paid. I could also walk away from ELT and make a few bucks in the other field I am highly qualified and experienced in. It's simply not true that English teachers don't know how to do anything else. But you need that false premise to prop up your argument. However, I don't think it's appropriate to brag about salary or make people feel like crap about themselves or their circumstances.
You see, I took a page out of your book. I joined a McDonalds servers discussion board. Then I went there and told them how I much I earn in ELT and how crap their jobs were. But it didn't make feel good. It made me feel like an obnoxious ass.
Finally...you know, and I know, that you didn't make a typo. You didn't spell the word incorrectly. You used the wrong word. But you, being you, probably could care less what I think. |
Technically not a typo but something I use incorrectly even though I am aware of the mistake - a habit then. I am not afraid of admitting my mistakes at all. You can say I brag, which I don't intend to do. I'm just no-nonsense. As for your point about the McDonalds servers discussion board, if there are degree holders working in McDonalds who are not aware of ESL. They damn well should be, so whereas some people might think I'm an ass for saying "WHY ARE YOU WORKING IN MCDONALDS, FOR GOD SAKE?". There might be a few who would thank me somewhere down the line.
At the end of the day you might think I'm an inhumane asshole and fine I can deal with that but I'm just handing out the truth. Usually my points about these salaries are made against people who are obviously lying extensively or exaggerating and misleading people to think huge insane salaries are normal. If you want to get into ESL fine but you should be aware that generally the salaries are bad, especially compared to native skilled sectors. Nevermind expats (who are leagues above). There are people here who sweep this under the carpet, when people ask about it.
As for the others who are not in this category and that I might hurt/degrade... I do feel guilty for it sometimes and I genuinely don't intend to hurt anyone. My above comment was just an equal response to your snide comment, both of which are hugely irrelevant to the topic. Anyway, genuine apology offered to you for the douche comment I made. |
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tophatcat
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Dear JohnML
Not everyone is stuck at 24 million per year.
I know some teachers who make more than 35 million per year.
You don't know my salary. You are making a false claim by saying so. Therefor, no need to call me a liar.
"irregardless" LMAO |
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JohnML
Joined: 05 Jul 2015
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| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Dear JohnML
Not everyone is stuck at 24 million per year.
I know some teachers who make more than 35 million per year.
You don't know my salary. You are making a false claim by saying so. Therefor, no need to call me a liar.
"irregardless" LMAO |
I advise you read over posts a little more carefully before responding. At no point did I say nobody was earning over 35 at no point did I say everyone was stuck at 24 million. I just said that huge demand you claim isn't there at all your response actually verifies this - when you wrote "some teachers". I also not once claimed to know your salary, I just said a lot of people lie about it and I've caught them out on it. People don't get so offended as you without reason, so what's your reason?
However if you want to go there, I absolutely believe you are a liar from the way you act, what of it? The last response is just stereotypical of someone who has no ground basis for an argument too, whilst that might be the type of response that would work against one of your 8 year old students when they call you strange looking. It's not something that is gonna work on someone like me, especially since you weren't the person who even picked up on it... |
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tophatcat
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| JohnML wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
Dear JohnML
Not everyone is stuck at 24 million per year.
I know some teachers who make more than 35 million per year.
You don't know my salary. You are making a false claim by saying so. Therefor, no need to call me a liar.
"irregardless" LMAO |
I advise you read over posts a little more carefully before responding. At no point did I say nobody was earning over 35 at no point did I say everyone was stuck at 24 million. I just said that huge demand you claim isn't there at all your response actually verifies this - when you wrote "some teachers". I also not once claimed to know your salary, I just said a lot of people lie about it and I've caught them out on it. People don't get so offended as you without reason, so what's your reason?
However if you want to go there, I absolutely believe you are a liar from the way you act, what of it? The last response is just stereotypical of someone who has no ground basis for an argument too, whilst that might be the type of response that would work against one of your 8 year old students when they call you strange looking. It's not something that is gonna work on someone like me, especially since you weren't the person who even picked up on it... |
Now you are saying that there are teachers who are making more than 24 million and 35 million. Well, I'm glad that we got that mistake corrected. Or, was that just another typo you made?
I'm not offended, JohnML. I'm just going through and helping you clean the mistakes in your posts. Your posts just seem to bounce around all over the place with mistakes and typos.
Wow! Why would you outright call a person a liar when you have nothing to base it on?
Let's not get emotional, JohnML. Let's stick to fact based knowledge. No need for the childish name calling. Let's be adults here. |
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