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Restaurant Ideas for Itaewon. Nominate yours!
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Ryst Helmut



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Restaurant Ideas for Itaewon. Nominate yours! Reply with quote

Gollum wrote:
I'm trying to tell her to open up a Taco restaurant. Something Mexican fast-food.


I haven't been on Yongsan AB in a few years, however, when I was there <weekend trips for shopping> (1997-1999) there was a Taco Bell. I doubt that they would have replaced that...so I don't think Mex fast-food on 'the strip' would bring in bucks (assuming the US army is going to be the staple source of dosh).

Well, as the FAQ forum shows...there is a spot for a BBQ place. If you pass this info along, and it opens, I get a free food for a lifetime!!! DIBS! <pinky sworn!>

!Shoosh

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Mankind



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the thing with Ho Lee Chow is that they tried to take it upscale here. In Canada ( where it's from) it's just a middle of the road Chinese take out- perfect.


But its not a 'real' franchise. The owners just ripped the name and design. Thats why it's only soso.

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Gollum



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swiss James wrote:
There's already a Taco Bell on base, I reckon a western style chinese restaurant is the way to go.


Taco Bell is out of the question. They want MEGA dollars for investment and proof that you are RICH RICH RICH. Way more than other franchises.

By the way, it's difficult for the general public to get on base and eat at Taco Bell there, I'd imagine.

They are leaning towards a "CURVES" franchise... another of my ideas.

They are really taking off in the states, and I bet they could do well in Korea. Lots of women prefer not to work out in front of men. Start-up cost is minimal.

We were also talking "Blimpies".

I like the Pizza idea, though.
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peppermint



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curves would do very well here indeed, but not in Itaewon., It's not the kind of area for a health club much less one centered around women. Maybe around E-dae or Gangnam though.

Blimpies would get lots of competition from Subway and Schlotsky's.
Think about the neighborhood- it's mostly geared towards young people, particularly foreigners..

I'm still going with pizza by the slice, but a 24hr breakfast would do well too. With these places everything really depends on the quality of the food.
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chiaa



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing I have noticed in my researching businesses here, is that a lot of the franchise rights have already been purchased for this country. That does not mean that the actual restaurant is here, just the rights have been purchased. A nice homestyle restaurant would be really good. Take each of the major countries that are represented in Korea, have their dishes on the menu.

Someone mentioned earlier that a Korean would change the recipes whenever they wanted. I have to agree 100%. I mean for god sakes, you never know what kind of cheese you are going to get at Subway. A Korean owning a western style restaurant that has not spent a good amount of time outside of Korea will screw it up 100% (just as Koreans would more than likely not like a Korean restaurant run by white folk back home). I believe (and some of you might disagree) that the main reasons for the success of my bookstore is that I run it 100% western business like. My wife and I have had numerous arguements about little things on how they do things in Korea vs. how it is done in the west. No offense to her, if she was doing it alone, it would have folded a long time ago--just because she doesn't know what we foreigners are used to. Our website, run 100% on a western model is confusing to Koreans sometimes, but once explained (the reason for the chat thing) they are surprised with how easy everything is (that is usually most of the confusion). It is just a different way of thinking.

For those of you who have read Fast Food Nation, you will know this already. One of the reasons for the success of McDonalds and BK etc., is that you can walk into anyone of these franchises and expect just about the same thing (100% the same thing in your home country). Next time you are at BK in Itaewon, have a little fun and do this. Watch the Koreans and the foreigners. The foreigners never read the menu, while the Koerans always give it a look over. You kow that it will be the same as every other BK you have ever been to, but they do not. Franchises have learned that people really like things that are consistant. If you go into a TGI Fridays or an Outback Steakhouse here, they are markedly different in service and quality of the food from back home.(if you like a well-done steak you know full well what I mean). This is why I rarely visit these places (I have actually complained to Outback USA and the district manager here in Korea took us to one of his restaurants. That meal was great. Since then, I have been back two or three times and it was the same crap all over again.)

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dogbert



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chiaa wrote:
If you go into a TGI Fridays or an Outback Steakhouse here, they are markedly different in service and quality of the food from back home.(if you like a well-done steak you know full well what I mean). This is why I rarely visit these places (I have actually complained to Outback USA and the district manager here in Korea took us to one of his restaurants. That meal was great. Since then, I have been back two or three times and it was the same crap all over again.)

This is the end of my thesis Very Happy


You know what? The food at Korean Outback has changed markedly just since the time the franchise has been established here. The change has been to adapt to Koreans's tastes.

You had a great point about the difference whether the manager/owner has been out of Korea or not, but ISTM that even then, the reality of having to adapt to the tastes and preferences of your customers mean that you will change, even if you started out "authentic".
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chiaa



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogbert wrote:
chiaa wrote:
If you go into a TGI Fridays or an Outback Steakhouse here, they are markedly different in service and quality of the food from back home.(if you like a well-done steak you know full well what I mean). This is why I rarely visit these places (I have actually complained to Outback USA and the district manager here in Korea took us to one of his restaurants. That meal was great. Since then, I have been back two or three times and it was the same crap all over again.)

This is the end of my thesis Very Happy


You know what? The food at Korean Outback has changed markedly just since the time the franchise has been established here. The change has been to adapt to Koreans's tastes.

You had a great point about the difference whether the manager/owner has been out of Korea or not, but ISTM that even then, the reality of having to adapt to the tastes and preferences of your customers mean that you will change, even if you started out "authentic".


Oh, I am not saying that I blame them for making the changes. Profits dictate how you are going to run a place. But, it is obvious that they put an Outback in Itaewon in order to get the foreigner customers who know their brand. In my dinner meeting with that manager at Outback, he was telling me how business at that branch was doing doing well, compared to others. I discovered, that Koreans want their food fast, while foreigners do not care as much (as long as it is right. This is why I could never get a correctly cooked well-done steak). You really have to have two different models (especially in restaurants) when going after different ethnicity (or nationality) customers.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) a place where you can eat sushi (sorry, cho-bap) off of naked ladies.

2) Bibimbap and Bacon

3) Planet Bollywood

Sparkles*_*
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trevorcollins



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that McDonalds there would start serving breakfast (and make it until a reasonable hour, like 2pm) then I'd be in heaven. No need for anything else.
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Zenpickle



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Gollum"]
Swiss James wrote:

They are leaning towards a "CURVES" franchise... another of my ideas.

They are really taking off in the states, and I bet they could do well in Korea. Lots of women prefer not to work out in front of men. Start-up cost is minimal.

We were also talking "Blimpies".

I like the Pizza idea, though.


Yeah, Curves might not be a bad investment. Maybe.

Now, if you're thinking Blimpies, I'll recommend a sandwich shop one or two steps better: Jersey Mike's Subs. The guy who started Blimpies got his ideas from working at Jersey Mike's. I may even be able to get you in touch with the founders of the chain, as they're looking into expanding internationally.

And I agree with you and the others. A pizza-by-the-slice place seems sorely missing.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zenpickle wrote:

And I agree with you and the others. A pizza-by-the-slice place seems sorely missing.


As long as they keep the corn on, right Beaver?

Sparkles*_*
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the_beaver



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote:
As long as they keep the corn on, right Beaver?

Sparkles*_*


Corn is for decorating a log of shit, not a piece of pizza.

You know that.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_beaver wrote:

You know that.


You sorely overestimate me. Keep in mind that my idea of culinary nirvana is Kraft Dinner with ketchup AND sliced-up hotdogs.

Sparkles*_*
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