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Zed
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Shakedown Street
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| inkoreaforgood wrote: |
Yeah, that bites. After a few years here, I finally developed an all purpose scowl. Keeps away noisy children, old people and foolish young bucks. Now only the crazy bother me. 
For whatever reason, usually not through their own fault some people attract trouble here in the ROK. Had that happen to a couple of friends, so don't feel bad Ilsanman. |
Me too.
It doesn't mesh well with meeting Korean women though.
Scowling isn't attractive I guess. |
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Zed
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Shakedown Street
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: Man |
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| pecan wrote: |
Ilsan,
I was not there, but I am curious.
If you really wanted to avoid a conflict, as soon as the guy swung the hand grip toward you, why not just walk away?
Sure the subway is crowded, but you could have moved away from him.
Instead, you stare him down, so he does it again.
Again, you have a chance to walk away, but you would rather antagonize the guy by swinging the hand grip to mock him.
What gives?
Were your actions really that of a person trying to avoid a confrontation?
Moreover, when the guy smacked you in the back of the head, you still could have walked away.
Why would you yell at him and swear profanities, if the subway was so crowded with men, women, and children?
Would not a person that genuinely did not expect something bad to happen have been in shock from the blow to the head? However, you were ready to go with your sharp tongue and attempted to escalate the incident.
Sorry, but your response says more about you, than it does of that guy.
Would you consider your reaction of swearing at him, commenting about his genitals, etc. as normal?
Again, you could have exited the subway and taken the next train, but you decided to stay and pursue the matter.
Why not just admit that you were looking for a situation to flex your ego and affirm your existence?
Strange stuff can happen in any large city. Butting heads with others is pretty easy to do, though recognizing how to avoid those situations may improve your quality of life.
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Just think...if Austin had been alive in the 1960s, the U.S. could have been spared all that nasty "Civil Rights" trouble. |
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pecan
Joined: 01 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:42 pm Post subject: Over... |
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pride-unreasonable and inordinate self-esteem
dignity-the quality or state of being worthy of respect
I agree with you, as to why he responded the way he did.
The choice was always his to make. The other person's behavior did not take away his options. Anything could have been done, so to say that he had to do something extreme is untrue.
I do not know anyone that would have responded with profanities and further aggressions, so when other posters state that swearing in public is perfectly acceptable, I am quite surprised.
I take it that many of them are just kidding.
Why lower yourself to the other person's level?
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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I agree. I think Rosa Parks should have just parked her ass in the back of the bus. But she chose to escalate the situation
And Woolworth's is not the only place to eat. Why not just eat at home and avoid confrontation? |
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pecan
Joined: 01 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:49 pm Post subject: Either |
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That is either quite the compliment to Ilsanman, or quite the insult to Rosa Parks!
Do you seriously think that Ilsanman was trying to change the world?
If he were, spouting profanities, etc. might not be the way to do it.
Apples and oranges, to be sure.
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Either |
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| pecan wrote: |
That is either quite the compliment to Ilsanman, or quite the insult to Rosa Parks!
Do you seriously think that Ilsanman was trying to change the world?
If he were, spouting profanities, etc. might not be the way to do it.
Apples and oranges, to be sure.
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To your mind, what is the difference?
Does one not have the right to peaceful enjoyment of one's commute regardless of one's race? In Korea as well as Alabama?
Apples and apples, my national socialist friend.
NB: Ms. Parks has stated consistently in interviews that she was not out to change the world, but was merely dog-tired that day and wanted to sit down. |
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pecan
Joined: 01 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:53 pm Post subject: Certainly... |
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Peaceful commute, yes. All that was needed was to ignore that guy, rather than stare him down and antagonize him.
I am sure all of those passengers were thinking the same thing!
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Pecan, I didn't realize you were one to avoid conflict. That's good, because I was afraid to post my opinion after I saw you were involved --in case we got into another 3 page debate like we did a month or so ago. But since you just back off even when conflict arises, no worries.  |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Certainly... |
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| pecan wrote: |
Peaceful commute, yes. All that was needed was to ignore that guy, rather than stare him down and antagonize him.
I am sure all of those passengers were thinking the same thing!
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All that Ms. Parks needed to do was stand while riding the bus. Had WWW-based message boards existed then, would you have found fault with her also?
How many times can one ignore being struck in the head? |
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sparkx
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: thekimchipot.com
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Pee Bucket wrote: |
| Peaceful commute, yes. All that was needed was to ignore that guy, rather than stare him down and antagonize him |
Do you even know what antagonize means?
If this is seriously your life philosophy (run away and lick your balls in the corner at the first sign of conflict) I really feel sorry for your present or future child. The kid will be a human load rag for other children to jizz on... |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Peaceful commute, yes. All that was needed was to ignore that guy, rather than stare him down and antagonize him.
I am sure all of those passengers were thinking the same thing!
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We're calling you out, why don't you just have yourself a peaceful time and back down from this argument??? 
Seriously, ignoring the guy would not necessarily resulted in a peaceful ride. Sometimes if you remain passive you demonstrate that you accept your inferior position and you tacitly condone the current behaviour. The guy obviously wanted a rise and may very well have kept swinging the handle or even escalated. We don't know. One thing is sure, accepting that behaviour would in no way guarantee you a peaceful ride.
And I think the point is bigger than this. Pecan seems to value a peaceful time over all else. All conflict is to be avoided. I don't think so. Conflict is how change happens. And it is entirely unacceptable to be treated like a [whatever] because of your race, here, america, anywhere. By refusing to accept that treatment you are preserving your own dignity and self esteem, and in a small way you are making a change. It's very small if it's only you, but if we all do, well, you get the picture ... |
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pecan
Joined: 01 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:48 pm Post subject: I get it |
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I suppose if you think you get your self-esteem from a ride on the subway, enough has been said. However, if you recognize that it comes from within, why even bother?
Nut (going to practice what I preach...try) |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: I get it |
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| pecan wrote: |
I suppose if you think you get your self-esteem from a ride on the subway, enough has been said. However, if you recognize that it comes from within, why even bother?
Nut (going to practice what I preach...try) |
Perhaps there is a point here other than self-esteem. |
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sparkx
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: thekimchipot.com
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| Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Perhaps there is a point here other than self-esteem. |
Like self respect and not wanting to being treated like a fricken animal maybe? |
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