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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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I couldn't disagree more. If anyone joins the army due to a "deep psychological desire for domination and power", they're in for a rude awakening. There is no more subservient way of life. Soldiers have more in common with monks than cops.[/quote]
Perhaps you are right, but I am taliking about the lure which got them there. Not the results. The psychological makeup for a LOT of soliders is in in fact very disturbing if you look at some of the history of american GI's and rapes and murders in Japan (This is where I need RealReality  ).
I am only basing this on my experience of growing up with a military father and living in a military town surrounded by soliders all my life. I have made wonderful friendships with soliders and had several travel great distances for my wedding. I just feel on the whole, that police and the military tend to attract a higher percentage of thugs than, lets say Teaching.(although teaching probabally attracts more arseholes. |
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Sooke
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
Location: korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| ummmm...isn't the world's largest building decorated with corn in Mitchell, SOUTH DAKOTA, not Nebraska? I believe it is known as the Corn Palace. |
yeah, it probably is. I haven't been getting AFN for about 6 months now, and I have forgotten some things.  |
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Kim Jong Jordan
Joined: 13 Mar 2004
Location: The Internet
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
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| For what it's worth, I've joked about some of those announcements with a few military types. Without exception, they've been as bemused as I was by those spots. |
Yeah, hate to break it to a lot of you guys, but most military folk I talk to think the PSA on AFN are as humorous as we do.
It might be attractive to think that the average GI "grunt" is a flag-waving illiterate farmboy who thinks the sun rises and sets on Geo Bush's backside, but the truth is there ain't many people more cynical and less likely to believe "the official story" than the people who have taken on the job of killing and maybe dying for it. |
Dido. |
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Kim Jong Jordan
Joined: 13 Mar 2004
Location: The Internet
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| Kim Jong Jordan wrote: |
| The Bobster wrote: |
| tardisrider wrote: |
| For what it's worth, I've joked about some of those announcements with a few military types. Without exception, they've been as bemused as I was by those spots. |
Yeah, hate to break it to a lot of you guys, but most military folk I talk to think the PSA on AFN are as humorous as we do.
It might be attractive to think that the average GI "grunt" is a flag-waving illiterate farmboy who thinks the sun rises and sets on Geo Bush's backside, but the truth is there ain't many people more cynical and less likely to believe "the official story" than the people who have taken on the job of killing and maybe dying for it. |
Dido. |
I meant diddo |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Ditto?
Anyway, I agree too. Most soldiers I know joined up for a career, and to support their families. I don't know any that joined up in order to shoot people full of lead. |
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Kim Jong Jordan
Joined: 13 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 9:18 am Post subject: |
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Ditto?
Anyway, I agree too. Most soldiers I know joined up for a career, and to support their families. I don't know any that joined up in order to shoot people full of lead. |
Yeah thats the spelling! And I'm an English teacher.......... |
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thorin
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| riverboy wrote: |
| I am only basing this on my experience of growing up with a military father and living in a military town surrounded by soliders all my life. |
Sounds like you and your father need some therapy. Good luck with that. |
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thorin
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Kim Jong Jordan wrote: |
| The Bobster wrote: |
| tardisrider wrote: |
| For what it's worth, I've joked about some of those announcements with a few military types. Without exception, they've been as bemused as I was by those spots. |
Yeah, hate to break it to a lot of you guys, but most military folk I talk to think the PSA on AFN are as humorous as we do.
It might be attractive to think that the average GI "grunt" is a flag-waving illiterate farmboy who thinks the sun rises and sets on Geo Bush's backside, but the truth is there ain't many people more cynical and less likely to believe "the official story" than the people who have taken on the job of killing and maybe dying for it. |
Dido. |
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Ihavenolips
Joined: 22 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Don't you think it's a little naive to think you can put that many people into two neat groups? Human beings are individuals regardless of what uniform they choose to wear.[/quote]
I often place American soldiers into two distinct categories: soldiers that are in a group, and troops that I interact with individually. When I see groups of soldiers drinking in a bar, chasing prostitutes, or starting fights with locals on Itaewon it repulses me. However, when I converse with a soldier one-on-one it is a totally different story.
As individuals I am surprised by open critisism about the Iraq War. I often have debates with other individual soldiers that disagree with my politics. Each soldier is unique in his/her own way. However, put a dozen soldiers into one room and I am out of their as soon as I can finish my drink. It is the group mentality that bothers me, but, then again, I guess I can say the same about ESL teachers or any other group. |
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Blind Willie
Joined: 05 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Ihavenolips wrote: |
| It is the group mentality that bothers me, but, then again, I guess I can say the same about ESL teachers or any other group. |
Ah, that good ol' group-think. |
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Kim Jong Jordan
Joined: 13 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:45 am Post subject: |
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Don't you think it's a little naive to think you can put that many people into two neat groups? Human beings are individuals regardless of what uniform they choose to wear.[/quote]
I often place American soldiers into two distinct categories: soldiers that are in a group, and troops that I interact with individually. When I see groups of soldiers drinking in a bar, chasing prostitutes, or starting fights with locals on Itaewon it repulses me. However, when I converse with a soldier one-on-one it is a totally different story.
As individuals I am surprised by open critisism about the Iraq War. I often have debates with other individual soldiers that disagree with my politics. Each soldier is unique in his/her own way. However, put a dozen soldiers into one room and I am out of their as soon as I can finish my drink. It is the group mentality that bothers me, but, then again, I guess I can say the same about ESL teachers or any other group.[/quote]
I totally agree. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| Sounds like you and your father need some therapy. Good luck with that. |
Ha!
You are so right, you forgot to mention the town though. [/quote] |
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