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korian
Joined: 26 Feb 2004
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:19 am Post subject: |
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to those referring to how far pauline hanson went, are you talking about the election on october 9th this year? ummmmmmmm probably not. she fizzled out about 5 years ago. but i'm sure you all knew that.
and she was popular all over australia? ummmmmmmm no. regional queensland was her jewel in the crown. popular in urban areas where most of the more educated and majority of the population live? ummmmmmm no.
and to rapier, quoting waterbaby.
"Just ask waterbaby's korean husband. Despite being better qualified than the competition, he was continuously rejected for jobs over a 7 month period as soon as they saw his skin color."
and here's what waterbaby said
"He hasn't experienced any "blatant" racism (he's been here about 7 months now) but he has experienced rejection after rejection while seeking employment - he has more than enough quals for the jobs he's applying for, but was only getting one bite out of about 20 applications and even then, once they heard his accent or met him in person, they didn't even send a "thanks but no thanks" letter/email/phone call. "
rapier, where does she say he is 'better' qualified than the competition? and where is the part that says he was rejected for his 'skin colour'? i can't seem to find it in there.
she says he was rejected when they heard his accent or met him in person. granted the 'met him in person' bit could imply discrimination, which is different from racism as i'm sure you know. but she doesn't say what kind of jobs he's applying for. if there is a lot of conversation necessary then......his few months of studying just mightn't cut it. we don't know coz waterbaby didn't say.
moreover, i'd like to ask waterbaby if her husband is a permanent resident yet or not. coz even though they're married he won't get PR until they've been so for 2 years. and that makes a big difference for employability. but i'm sure you knew that too rapier when you said
"I think Australia is a fairly racist country." "Truth hurts? you must be one of them. Weh ya fromm mayt? W.A? them bluddy abos been drinkeen piss agen? Aussie is racist, dudette. "
quality views 'mate' |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| My wife had a hard time acceting the fact that I am a chronic pothead. I told her that she was in Canada now, and she had to live with it. Other than that, she loved it. I caome from a pretty small Maritime town |
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SuperFly

Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Location: In the doghouse
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:45 am Post subject: |
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She works for a Korean company. They love her and she loves her job. Outside of work, as far as other people are concerned and how she is treated...lets just say the question should be how does she treat other people? (Think "Miss Swan" from Mad TV) She is a good lookin bitch with an attitude, but she's my little shortskirt longjacket. 
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harixseldon
Joined: 27 Nov 2004 Location: Anseong
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:37 am Post subject: Re: How was your K. partner treated back home? |
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[Since when did the model and silicon breast capital of the world start beating up pretty boys?
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Do you know where South Central is in LA? It's the ghetto. And in the ghetto parts of LA there is a lot of animosity towards asians, Koreans in particular because they often open up shops in black community areas. (If I'm wrong correct me Californiaers, I'm an east coaster) |
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kiwiboy_nz_99

Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Location: ...Enlightenment...
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| she says he was rejected when they heard his accent or met him in person. granted the 'met him in person' bit could imply discrimination, which is different from racism as i'm sure you know |
If it's discrimination based on race then it's racism. That is exactly the definition.
And yes, I think Australia has a strong current of racism running through it. Not everywhere, but it's noticable. It's certainly significantly worse than New Zealand. |
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just because

Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Location: Changwon - 4964
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:06 am Post subject: |
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My K-girlfriend experienced little trouble when i went home with her. No probs.
However, as i have documented in another thread in the past somewhere, when i lived in australia with my Japanese and Thai girlfriends(exes now) over a period of 5 years we had more than our fair share of troubles.
Mainly from idiot 20's who are no hoper-dickheads to start with. Got into a couple of punch-ups which i wouldn't do often unless I'm really peeved, had to go to the cop shop a couple of times because of their idiocy.
To be honest though there was always way to much alcohol involved. I it was the middle of the day i can only remember one time but I'm sure i worte about it somewhere else.
However, she herself experienced little racism. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:43 am Post subject: Re: How was your K. partner treated back home? |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
[Since when did the model and silicon breast capital of the world start beating up pretty boys?
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Do you know where South Central is in LA? It's the ghetto. And in the ghetto parts of LA there is a lot of animosity towards asians, Koreans in particular because they often open up shops in black community areas. (If I'm wrong correct me Californiaers, I'm an east coaster) |
Out of 50,000 different potential neighborhoods and places to live throughout California, you just assume they will be moving and choosing to live in South Central L.A.?
But lets just say PolyChronicGirl and her Korean boyfriend don't decide to live in South Central, Compton or Oakland.. and choose one of the other 49,997 potential neighborhoods available in California.. is he going to get punched walking down the street for smiling and looking pretty? I would say the chances are EXTREMELY HIGH that he wouldn't.
Having lived in San Francisco and having various asian friends.. I don't recall ever feeling like my Asian male friends were going to get punched under any circumstances.. ever. Nowhere in San Francisco, nowhere in San Diego when I moved down there, not even anywhere in Oakland when I went over there for the cheaper Asian restaurants on a semi-regular basis with my filipina girlfriend, my vietnamese male roommate, or my chinese-malay co-worker I often hungout with. |
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korian
Joined: 26 Feb 2004
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| And yes, I think Australia has a strong current of racism running through it. Not everywhere, but it's noticable. It's certainly significantly worse than New Zealand. |
well first you make a generalisation about pauline hanson that's way out of date and irrelevant now and then you come up this one. well as long as you say that australia has a strong curent of racism and it's much stronger than nz then it must be so.
i just want to know, are you talking about nsw, wa, vic, qld, sa, tas, nt or act? and is it the rural or urban community you're talking about? and which demographic exactly? the wasps, the 3rd and 4th generation southern european aussies, the asian aussies, the middle eastern aussies or the various other aussies? or the permanent residents who aren't yet aussies but call aussies home? please explain.
and what's even better is that you're answering questions that aren't even there. i simply wanted some clarification on your statements about pauline hanson. and i asked rapier how he got his deductions from what waterbaby said. i didn't ask for a social commentary on australia.
but your well chosen comments have certainly laid to rests any doubts i may have had. you yourself said it was certain. |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Location: North Shore NZ
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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I lived and worked in Sydney for a couple of years and for the most part the people I met were some of the greatest people I have every come across. However, I was disturbed by the undercurrent of what could only be catergorised as distrust, hostility and overt rascism, seemingly widespread amongst the 'white (my family have lived here for hundreds of years mate), blue collar workers.
Drinking in the pubs in Chippendale, where I lived, I would hear the most offensive comments made by customers about the dirty lazy ass, dole bludging alkies in Redfern, the gooks down George street, and the leb gangs in Parramatta etc. |
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just because

Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Location: Changwon - 4964
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Drinking in the pubs in Chippendale, where I lived, I would hear the most offensive comments made by customers about the dirty lazy ass, dole bludging alkies in Redfern, the gooks down George street, and the leb gangs in Parramatta etc. |
Just the point I was making earlier.
The problem is the people making these comments are so fucking hopeless in the first place I think they need to blame somebody for their own problems and it is a n easy target. |
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edgellskiuk
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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How do we know it was due to race he was rejected? Companies normally meet more than one person when filling a vacancy.
Perhaps they met someone more qaulified, more experienced or someone that slept with the interviewer to get the job. It could be countless reasons and just to automatically say it is due to racism seems to be a rather large leap to me. |
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PolyChronic Time Girl

Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Location: Korea Exited
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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I know I'm probably being overly paranoid. Yes, California does have it's problems but I think most of you are right that he won't just get beaten up when out walking. I just get freaked out at the thought of me going to school/work and he's alone in a foreign country trying to buy groceries and not really knowing how to count money, which many people might take advantage of or some weirdo might try to con him. . My big thing with him is that his English is about the same as that of your average Korean taxi driver. So it might be impossible for him to get a job for a LONG time. And he can go to Korean Town but that place is a hole and I would never be caught walking there alone. Yeah, don't worry..we won't live in South Central or Compton. Just your average Orange County satellite city.
I'm probably a little overprotective
***I don't think he will be targeted for racism...I don't really worry about that...tons of Asians in California. More afraid of his vulnerability factor and fear that the wolves will be able to smell that...but I guess that's true in any country |
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korian
Joined: 26 Feb 2004
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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i'm from sydney too and now live on the gold coast. my fiance is korean. i never denied or even claimed some individuals in australia weren't racist or there weren't pockets of racism in australia. never even brought the topic up. we have experienced idiots of all kinds being idiots. that hardly entitles me to say 'australia' is racist.
i objected to the generalisations and misinformation thrown about with such ease about 'australia' and the way some people tossed about opinions as fact. and even misused information to propogate the nonsense.
there are racist people everywhere. it doesn't make a country racist. |
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taegu girl
Joined: 20 Apr 2004 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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My husband (Korean) and i have been living in Orange County, CA (southern California between LA and San Diego) for the past 6 months with no problems. We just moved here after living in NJ for the past 2 1/2 years . THe only negative thing we have heard when it comes to minorities in this area are that in the Garden Grove area there are Asian gangs (Korean and Vietnamese) so if we go there to get Korean groceries we don't go there at night. We heard first hand from a white woman whose car had been destroyed by an Asian gang in the area- she witnessed it and to top it off the police did nothing about it. Orange county is definitely multicultural. According to the Orange County Register, more than 40% of people living here speak another language other than English at home. There are lots of Chinese, Indian, Korean, whites, and Hispanics that live in this county. There are also many mixed couples too that we see if we go to the mall, store, etc.
Sometimes I get strange looks in the Korean store but definitely not any obvious rude looks or comments when I am in a non-korean establishment with my husband and now that we have a baby with us it is definitely more obvious we are a couple.
I suggest your husband begin to learn English ASAP. Yes, he can survive living in the States if you live in a Korea town but that will not make it easy for him to find a job that is not Korean related. My husband has a good job working as an engineer in an American company but he also is expected and does speak English as work. Maybe we haven't faced as much discrimination partially because of him being able to communicate with his coworkers and others we meet. Most people assume we met here not in Korea like we did. If your fiance is planning to emigrate to the US, I suggest living near a Korea town but definitely not in one. This will force him to learn English or to become very dependent on you. I think most people would choose to learn enough to get by so that they do not lose their independence. My husband emigrated here at the age of 27 after we married in Korea without ever having having studied English abroad. People do not have to live in an English speaking country to learn English, of course it helps but it is not necessary. I say this as an encouragment, so please don't take it negatively. Good Luck and don't worry! Also there is a yahoo group "whitesmarriedtokorean" for white women whose husbands are korean. I live in Orange county, so if you want to we could meet up sometime after you move here. |
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harixseldon
Joined: 27 Nov 2004 Location: Anseong
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: How was your K. partner treated back home? |
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Out of 50,000 different potential neighborhoods and places to live throughout California, you just assume they will be moving and choosing to live in South Central L.A.? |
Look at my first post to which you replied that LA is the capital of models and silicon breast.
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...if you live in South Central maybe he'll get beaten up for being Korean but I wouldn't worry about it. |
I was just noting that if you live in a bad part of town maybe he'll get beat up for being Korean but I assumed they weren't living there so they shouldn't worry about it.  |
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