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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai
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| Rather_Dashing wrote: |
| Bulsajo wrote: |
| but for the longest time he was the board's equivalent to Fox News: he'd only report articles that suited his agenda. |
I disagree. Like Fox News, he presents information that he feels people will find relevant, and he tries to be as objective as possible. |
That's just untrue. |
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Cthulhu
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Rather_Dashing wrote:
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| I disagree. Like Fox News, he presents information that he feels people will find relevant, and he tries to be as objective as possible. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Real Reality is on a mission. Some people confuse this with a sort of neurosis, and suggest RR get fixed. Whatever. Shows more about his hecklers than RR himself. That they're compulsive cleaners/control freaks who like to keep house 'tidy' on a message board? That everybody should be 'happy', and avoid statistics, since they're 'boring'?
When RR does post it's a thought provoking question. Like, 'take another look at it'. |
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Cthulhu
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Captain kirk wrote:
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| Real Reality is on a mission. |
From God?
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Blind Willie
Joined: 05 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Funniest Guy On The Internet wrote: |
| Like Fox News, he presents information that he feels people will find relevant, and he tries to be as objective as possible. |
Man, top quality comedy... for free!
This is an age of wonder |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I would like RR to go on posting, but I would prefer he actually post his own opinions along with the articles. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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I don't mind if Real Reality has an agenda or not, is or isn't on a mission, or whether he should be more even-handed and objective about Korea. Nor does it matter to me that he doesn't editorialise or comment on the articles that he launches all his threads with. Why? I guess it's because I'm not in the business of refuting negative press about Korea, and because none of his threads manage to get my goat, assuming they were intended to.
The Korean economy can sink or swim and I'll still be doing okay.
K-nutizens with racist motivations can hate me or other Westerners on- & off-line all they please, and I won't be losing any sleep or income over it.
Hagwons, schools and universities can underpay, cheat, swindle and otherwise bamboozle every foreign teacher they sink their meathooks into, and doesn't shock or alarm me.
(*trying to remember his other pet peeves*... oh yes,)
Average Korean salaries can triple while mine freezes solid, and I'd throw a party for my friends.
Korean mothers can have the entire next generation of K-babies birthed in Los Angeles County hospitals if that's what turns their crank, and my very next thought will be, "Do I want curry or pasta for dinner?"
The only thing that would personally affect me is if RR were to stop posting, because that would deny me the silly pleasure of watching him wind up so many of the posters here. That's the reason I even open his threads. That's fun.
It pleases me. (though i fear that wasn't his intention!  ) |
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The Lemon
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Smoke spewed from panther's keyboard as he wrote: |
| BTW: I have never violated the TOS of this board yet I have been suspended 3 times. |
Three times, huh? Where to go from here?
..So that's it then. Only one thing left: they're going to take away your birthday.
Panthermodern's birthday has been cancelled. Clique, make it happen.
That is all.
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| The Lemon wrote: |
| Smoke spewed from panther's keyboard as he wrote: |
| BTW: I have never violated the TOS of this board yet I have been suspended 3 times. |
Only one thing left: they're going to take away your birthday. Clique, make it happen.
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Okay, you two -- stop talking in riddles, and go over & vote in my "home, sweet cubicle" poll .
Please... |
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The Lemon
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:01 am Post subject: |
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I don't live in Korea anymore, but in the interest of good public relations I voted anyway.  |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:08 am Post subject: |
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"Furthermore, if your employer actually considered all the nonsense you post here, my guess is that you would be out of a job. You're lucky you haven't been found out."
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What nonsense? I've never read anything more absurd. RR posts news articles, and the key point about that, for the slow, is that he doesn't write them. If you have a problem with the contents, take it up with the sourse, not the messenger. If you think the sourses are biased, prove it or take a hike. It's not like unbiased news sourses really exsist in this day and age anyway. The poster who made the threat is, in my view, a mere worm of a man whose opinion does not deserve even the slightest bit of consideration. |
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jaykimf
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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"Furthermore, if your employer actually considered all the nonsense you post here, my guess is that you would be out of a job. You're lucky you haven't been found out."
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What nonsense? I've never read anything more absurd. RR posts news articles, and the key point about that, for the slow, is that he doesn't write them. If you have a problem with the contents, take it up with the sourse, not the messenger. If you think the sourses are biased, prove it or take a hike. It's not like unbiased news sourses really exsist in this day and age anyway. The poster who made the threat is, in my view, a mere worm of a man whose opinion does not deserve even the slightest bit of consideration. |
First of all, I have never sent realreality a private message. The quote in question was taken out of the context of the this thread: http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=32362
The thread begins: "
Koreans Top Spenders in Education
South Korea topped the list of household educational spending to total consumption expenditure among the 30 OECD countries, with a ratio of 5.8 percent in 2003. According to the 2004 National Accounts of OECD Countries, Korean households were quite active compared to major advanced nations in their spending on child education. Households in the United States posted 2.5 percent, followed by Japanese with 2.2 percent, Spanish with 1.7 percent, British with 1.3 percent, Germans with 0.7 percent, French with 0.6 percent and Mexicans with 0.4 percent.
by Kim Yon-se
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/biz/200501/kt2005011418130411880.htm
I don't have any problem with the quote or the article from which it was taken. It was moderately interesting and I don't see anything wrong with posting that. What I object to is the idiotic comment made by RR: "This helps explain why educators are paid so little in Korea, right? What is the salary of educators in the United States? Why aren't you receiving as much as (or twice as much as) U.S. educators? " RR displays a total lack of understanding of the difference between "total expenditures on education" and "percentage of total expenditures devoted to education". Korea devotes a relatively high % on education in part because they have relatively low incomes. RR turns it around and says that since Korean spends a high % on education, why don't they have higher incomes. It's pure nonsense.
Furthermore, in the initial post RR claims: " educators are paid so little in Korea", yet in a follow up post he provides statistics that Korean teachers are highly paid. I don't have any problem with rr posting statistics , but DUH , what kind of guy posts statistics that contradict what he said.
Furthermore he says:"Of course, you know that Korean teachers (with a bachelor's degree) earn at least twice the GDP per capita. " Compare that with "Teachers with at least 15 years of experience make more than twice the GDP per capita" Certainly a univerity professor of English should be able to understand the difference, yet rr choses to make the wrong statement.
Furthermore , he claims that korean teachers make more than foreign teachers, but the statistics he uses to support that claim are for a Korean teacher with 15 years of experience versus a foreigner with little or no experience. More nonsense. And note, the problem is not with the statistics themselves but with the way they are misused by rr.
RR then goes on to state:"Unfortunately, I am underpaid. If my employer actually considered my experience and education, then I would receive a significantly higher salary. ". To which I replied:"Anyway, I'm sure your employer did consider your experience and education in deciding whether to hire you. The fact is that they had a specific job opening. If you decided to apply for and accept a position for which you believe you are overqualified, that would would have been entirely your decision. Furthermore, if your employer actually considered all the nonsense you post here, my guess is that you would be out of a job. You're lucky you haven't been found out."
I have to go to work now , so I'll have to edit this and finish later. |
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The Lemon
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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The real nonsense is when you take issue with his gaps in comprehension and understanding, and false comparisons (shall we review his thread that tried to compare University of Alberta professor salaries with Korean university instructors?), he turns into a fragile little flower and proclaims he's being mugged and threatens to leave the board in threads much like these. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:52 am Post subject: |
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I don't have any problem with the quote or the article from which it was taken. It was moderately interesting and I don't see anything wrong with posting that. What I object to is the idiotic comment made by RR: "This helps explain why educators are paid so little in Korea, right? What is the salary of educators in the United States? Why aren't you receiving as much as (or twice as much as) U.S. educators? " RR displays a total lack of understanding of the difference between "total expenditures on education" and "percentage of total expenditures devoted to education". Korea devotes a relatively high % on education in part because they have relatively low incomes. RR turns it around and says that since Korean spends a high % on education, why don't they have higher incomes. It's pure nonsense.
Furthermore, in the initial post RR claims: " educators are paid so little in Korea", yet in a follow up post he provides statistics that Korean teachers are highly paid. I don't have any problem with rr posting statistics , but DUH , what kind of guy posts statistics that contradict what he said.
Furthermore he says:"Of course, you know that Korean teachers (with a bachelor's degree) earn at least twice the GDP per capita. " Compare that with "Teachers with at least 15 years of experience make more than twice the GDP per capita" Certainly a univerity professor of English should be able to understand the difference, yet rr choses to make the wrong statement.
Furthermore , he claims that korean teachers make more than foreign teachers, but the statistics he uses to support that claim are for a Korean teacher with 15 years of experience versus a foreigner with little or no experience. More nonsense. And note, the problem is not with the statistics themselves but with the way they are misused by rr.
RR then goes on to state:"Unfortunately, I am underpaid. If my employer actually considered my experience and education, then I would receive a significantly higher salary. ". To which I replied:"Anyway, I'm sure your employer did consider your experience and education in deciding whether to hire you. The fact is that they had a specific job opening. If you decided to apply for and accept a position for which you believe you are overqualified, that would would have been entirely your decision. Furthermore, if your employer actually considered all the nonsense you post here, my guess is that you would be out of a job. You're lucky you haven't been found out."
I have to go to work now , so I'll have to edit this and finish later. |
I don't care if he doesn't have a complete grasp of the facts he's presenting. All of his "nonsense" is trumped by your suggestion that he would be "out of a job" if his employer "found him out", truly absurd. |
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panthermodern
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Taxronto
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:44 am Post subject: |
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I will ignore the typical attacks from the trolls, ex-mods both of them, strange.
The Lemon wrote:
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| The real nonsense is when you take issue with his gaps in comprehension and understanding, and false comparisons (shall we review his thread that tried to compare University of Alberta professor salaries with Korean university instructors?), he turns into a fragile little flower and proclaims he's being mugged and threatens to leave the board in threads much like these. |
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he turns into a fragile little flower and proclaims he's being mugged and threatens to leave the board in threads much like these.
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Lemon; by being "mugged" do you mean when he is gang flamed by Mods, and their socks and their thralls ...
The real shame is that people like Real Reality have to deal with B.S. like this, when, in truth, his posts harm no one.
All the while many belligerent, insulting, non-helpful and counter-productive posters seem to post whatever they want, pushing the line and often crossing the T.O.S., yet nothing ever seems to happen.
Does Real Reality violate the T.O.S. with his posts ... No.
I would love to review the thread that you mention but it has been "sanitized"; I wonder by whom.
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