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Universalis

Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:28 am Post subject: |
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I can't believe people here are mocking others for wearing suits and giving special attention to their appearance.
I moved on to suits last year and it was a great change. I look better, feel better, and carry myself with more confidence and savvy. Chicks dig guys in suits, especially my girlfriend, and the response from just about everyone around me (friends, co-workers, etc.) has been universally positive.
A man in a suit is sending a message of maturity, responsibility, style, and class to those around him. You just can't go wrong in a suit.
And as another poster mentioned, wearing a suit in Korea will take you very, very far in terms of how others react to you.
To answer the OP's original question, I visit www.askmen.com a lot for fashion tips.
PM me for the name ond location of a quality tailor in Itaewon.
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| Universalis wrote: |
A man in a suit is sending a message of maturity, responsibility, style, and class to those around him. You just can't go wrong in a suit.
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In a university, maybe. Not in a regular hagwon; that's just gonna look silly. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:52 am Post subject: Re: buymybook |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
| the_beaver wrote: |
| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
| Id never dress like that. |
Yes but there's absolutely nothing about you that I'd like to emulate so I can live with that. |
You dont want to emulate my professionalism and fashion sense? Im sure of one thing, when people see me they never think "there goes another foreigner slob". |
Koreans maybe. If I see an ESL teacher dressed like that I think 'what deficiencies is he trying to cover up'? Do you at least smoke in public so that people don't think you're a Morman missionary? |
Im not a smoker. Addictions are for the weak. |
Have you thought about checking out the Mormons or JWs? You'd probably be much better received. |
Im not worried about my reception. Cults like Mormons and JWs are also for the weak who need a crutch. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| Universalis wrote: |
| A man in a suit is sending a message of maturity, responsibility, style, and class to those around him. You just can't go wrong in a suit. |
An English teacher in a suit is sending a message of deficiency and insecurity to most westerners I know. But if Korean parents and bosses, and women with reciprocal inadequacies, fall for it, then by all means milk it for what it's worth if you can be arsed to dress up. |
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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Universalis wrote: |
| A man in a suit is sending a message of maturity, responsibility, style, and class to those around him. You just can't go wrong in a suit. |
An English teacher in a suit is sending a message of deficiency and insecurity to most westerners I know. But if Korean parents and bosses, and women with reciprocal inadequacies, fall for it, then by all means milk it for what it's worth if you can be arsed to dress up. |
Because you are a slob and a loser.
Listen, there are Englishee teachers, sucy as you, and there are English teachers. The first group is a bunch of drunks, unprofessional boys who rightfully so have trash jobs that fit their attitude. Then there are professionals who want to be professional in every area, and dress is such an area. Unlike you, I have a proper job not just a hagwon "job" where I am surrounded by professionals who also dress well. If I was to have your attitude I would stick out as the unprofessional englisheee teacher you come across as.
Finally, opinions of people like you (Westerners) are the last thing that I lose sleep over. You will continue to be the migrant Englishee teacher with no roots for the rest of your life. I stopped being what you are years ago.
Enjoy your 2.0million. You can continue to dress the way you want and continue getting a salary that fits your attitude. |
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Cacique

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| Actually, I get both my suits and my shirts made in Itaewon so everything fits me pretty well. |
Hey Beaver, I'm just curious; how much does it cost to have a suit and a shirt custom made? If it's not too expensive, I'll consider having some made for myself.
Thanks. |
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Universalis

Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:37 am Post subject: |
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I know the question wasn't direct to me, but I'll let you know what I pay.
I pay 35,000W for custom shirts, and just last week I ordered a custom suit for about 315,000W. The suits can go up and down in price, however, as my tailor knows different factories with different quality labor. I bought another suit a few months ago and paid only 280,000 for it.
Hope this helps.
Brian |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| Universalis wrote: |
I know the question wasn't direct to me, but I'll let you know what I pay.
I pay 35,000W for custom shirts, and just last week I ordered a custom suit for about 315,000W. The suits can go up and down in price, however, as my tailor knows different factories with different quality labor. I bought another suit a few months ago and paid only 280,000 for it.
Hope this helps.
Brian |
Yep. Sam will make 'em cheaper at around 200,00 for a shirt and a suit, but the better quality places will cost 25,000~40,000 for a shirt and aroudn 280,000 for a suit. |
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Cacique

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info, Brian. Those prices are not bad at all. I could easily spend that much on 'off-the-rack' shirts and suits.
Is that a wool suit, and a cotton shirt? How's the quality? Does the cut and fit of a custom-suit really feel superior to a regular suit? I'm assuming it must, but just want to hear from someone who has done it.
Thanks. |
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Universalis

Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Well, I don't have a lot of experience wearing suits, so I'm no expert. But I did buy a $100 suit in Thailand a few years ago and my new Itaewon suit feels a whole lot nicer on me. The jacket fits me like a glove, making it barely noticeable at times.
My father, a lifelong business men, swears by my tailor's work and every year or so will order some stuff from there and have it shipped over.
The suit I ordered is not wool, but other than that I don't know the exact fabric used. Regarding shirts, he has a huge variety of fabric available, including 100% cotton, which is my favorite.
I've been going to this same tailor for 7 years now. I've introduced a lot of people to his shop and every one of them has been satisfied with this work. He's great!
Brian |
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Universalis

Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:47 am Post subject: |
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And one more thing... getting a nice suit is one step, but don't stop there. A friend of mine had a suit made there but refuses to buy a new shirt to go with it. Instead, he'll be wearing his sloppy, off-the-rack "dress shirts" with it. Considering the price of a new suit, a nice custom-made shirt to go with it isn't much of investment.
And wear a good tie. I used to wear the 3,000W cheapos from Itaewon, but the poor quality can be seen from a mile away. Hyundai and Lotte Department stores usually have a table or two of on sale ties for 30,000W. Or, if you live near Seoul, visit the outlet stores near Karibong, where you can find the same ties for 10-15,000W.
And shoes... rock some good shoes.
Brian |
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fastfreddie

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul Area
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:01 am Post subject: FUBU |
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Yu Bum Suk wrote
An English teacher in a suit is sending a message of deficiency and insecurity to most westerners I know. But if Korean parents and bosses, and women with reciprocal inadequacies, fall for it, then by all means milk it for what it's worth if you can be arsed to dress up.
Written with all the self-importance of a high school grad. "Message of deficiency and insecurity ?" Your post epitomizes it, chump.
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kangnamdragon

Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:10 am Post subject: |
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I agree with Universalis. If you want to look good in Korea, dress up. When in Rome....
Sneakers and sweat shirt outside? never unless you are playing basketball
You guys need Queer Eye to come to Korea....
even in the North America one looks sloppy in sneakers and sweats...
If you are out of college, dress like it. Save those clothes for watching football at home with the guys.
Now, I admit sometimes I throw on a sweat shirt and walking shoes just to run outside to the supermarket. That is fine, but not to go out and be seen in public.
Unless you don't live in Seoul..........then the rules are different.... |
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Does a suit maketh the man? Nope. I think the last time my father wore a suit was to his wedding. Yet he's still a sucessful professional. Granted he works in the film industry in kiwiland where nobody wears suits. But I getting away from my point.
I've seen people still looking scruffy in a suit and I've seen people looking great in causuals. The key is to make sure that your clothes are clean and well cared for. If a color is fading replace the item. Hems coming apart? Get them fixed. Ironing stuff is always a bonus too. Also good clothes are let down by bad grooming.
As for what to wear, at work I always look at what others are wearing and then dress a step up from that. |
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Scott in HK
Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: now in Incheon..haven't changed my name yet
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:33 am Post subject: |
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I have always thought it was what you did in the classroom, rather than the clothes you wore as you entered it that decided whether you would gain the respect of your students. Students respect teachers who can teach regardless of whether or not they wear a suit. If you can't teach, then no suit is going to gain you respect.
I have taught for 10 years..the last six in Hong Kong in the NET program (now for a uni in Korea) and have never met any teacher that included their clothing choices for the day in their lesson plan.
I got into teaching so I wouldn't have to wear a suit. I wouldn't take a job that require me to wear a suit to work. I have never seen the point of wearing one and don't think any more or less of people who do or don't wear them. It is a non-issue...especially in teaching. |
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