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Advice needed re the the whole teaching/contract thing
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itchy



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2003 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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michaelH



Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: Thailand

PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rand Al Thor wrote:
is it paid time? If it counts towards your contract hours then sure, provided its not backbreaking work.

Owner is obviously trying ot control you. If you get paid let it go, if not then say "no way!"


Is the social status of cleaning work and a foreign English teacher the same in Korea whereas it wouldn't be in the west, or is there an attitude towards responsibility for our own classroom dirt perhaps the cultural difference, or is there some kind of game being played and you don't know the rules? Tough no two ways about it. Good luck!
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="itchy"]
Gord wrote:
itchy wrote:
All the good jobs are straight salary.



-sure you do. Everyone in Korea makes that. I've been there, I know the foreigner gossip and what it's worth. They offered me a re-sign deal for 1.8 after a year of 1.6. That was 1999. Lots of other schools were offering me 1.8 to 2.0. I couldn't get any more than that. Neither could anyone I knew. I did know a guy who made over 3 million, but he made it by teaching 12 classes a day at the Hakwon, then teaching another 3 classes each night at another Hakwon. 4 or 5 million? Maybe 6 or 7? 8 or 9? Any number, I guess?



Teaching at a Hakwon is NOT the only option. Nor are privates.
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gajackson1



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Casa Chil, Sungai Besar, Sultanate of Brunei

PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate jumping into a thread late - so many things to comment on.

First & foremost - Director's Meetings, esp. in smaller areas, are a big deal. There is usually a 'Hak-won Association,' and when they have these meetings, it is common for the schools to shut down and everyone to have a day off, or to have a cleaning/activity day of some kind. Unfortunately, I can't tell you more about that - but I can confirm that is the way it is done in Jin-hae, Ch'ang-won, and Ma-san still (my ex-Prez was Pres of C-W association).

Usually, the contract throws in a catchall along the lines of 'and other duties as deemed neccessary.' I would imagine that is where this falls. In my old school, hours were never really counted; there were extra duties - bus duty, occasional school cleaning days, English clean-up editing, demo lessons, etc. But, as others have mentioned, there were a TON of perks - cash holiday bonuses, higher salaries than other schools, , use of the owner's condo membership, big private apartment, extra holiday time, free lunches & dinner/drinking nights, even paid-for school trips (staff only - no kids) - to places like Gyoung-ju & Je-ju.

None of that stuff, on either side, was 'in the contract.' It was a give-and-take situation.

As for my school now, hours are not counted (phew! I am just under the 3 mil mark, but only teaching 18 hrs/week), but there are really NO extra perks, besides private housing). And, no one ever comes to us for much of anything in extra work, either. There is no one to clean our rooms - the 3 subject teachers each have their own rooms, and each is responsible for it. Big stuff - painting, waxing the floors, wallpaper, etc. is the school, but we take care of the day-to-day stuff.

Here is what it comes down to on my end: do you like working there, with those people? Do they treat you well otherwise? Then throw on some lazy day clothers, be sure you have your tunes & some snacks in tow, and do a little dusting & team mopping (that means 1 person with the wet mop, followed by the other with the dry). Shouldn't take THAT long, and you are one up on everybodys list.

Comes down to that family vs. business thing, I guess. Surrree, it would be nice if a school treated everyone like gold, and didn't ever ask for anything much in return. But not very likely, regardless of who you know.

Finally, UM, R.a.T. & H's comments weren't directed at you, methinx, they were directed towards a different post/poster. Cool

Regards, & good luck,

G.
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Marathe



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: Spider Hole

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow
this thread got big kwikfast.

for all concerned: i got roped into doing this after i was told that i could take the day off but would get docked a day's pay if i did so.

however, I did find my forte early on in the day when it was discovered that i could move heavy stuff with relative ease (compared to the other 10 teachers who are all female). Thusly, I was put on furniture moving duty for the day and never once touched a mop or a broom; as well i managed to rationalize myself out of going to the gym for the day.

tanks fer the input people.
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elephantqueen2003



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2003 10:29 am    Post subject: Don't take shit off of no one... I mean no one!!! Reply with quote

You should not be cleaning any fucking floors. I would tell the guy to go plug him self with the broom stick and then do a run to Japan or somewhere else. Leave that sorry sack of shit. He is not worth your time. I would even go home. Leave the land of Kimchi and head for the hills.

Adreani
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