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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Real Reality wrote: |
Compare FIFA Rankings and Economies
Who should win?
South Korea vs Saudi Arabia
South Korea vs Uzbekistan |
Are you making a point here? |
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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| Real Reality wrote: |
Compare FIFA Rankings and Economies
Who should win?
South Korea vs Saudi Arabia
South Korea vs Uzbekistan |
Are you making a point here? |
just ignore him.
I like your idea in principle- the only problem is that you're pre-determining who the 'good' and 'bad' teams are- making the "minnows" play more games.
You can do this in the FA cup because the teams in the premiership have already proven themselves to be a cut above the lower leagues, but with international teams are you going to use the FIFA rankings to do the seeding? Because I think it's dodgy. |
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iiicalypso
Joined: 13 Aug 2003
Location: is everything
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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As a North Amercian, I am sadly unversed in the nuances of football. I do know a little about sportsmanship (bad and good).
To my untrained eye, it looked as though the Koreans would take a dive anytime there was an Uzbeck within a meter of him, trying to draw a call. Considering how much better the Koreans were, isn't that a bit distasteful? Or am I just biased, since I always root for the underdog? |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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FIFA Rankings
Korea, South: 22
Saudi Arabia: 30
Uzbekistan: 46
Kuwait: 54
http://www.fifa.com/en/mens/statistics/rank/compare.html?static=5
Ranking GDP
Korea, South: 11
Saudi Arabia: 30
Uzbekistan: 60
Kuwait: 82
Population
Korea, South: 48,324,000
Saudi Arabia: 23,513,000
Uzbekistan: 25,563,000
Kuwait: 2,112,000
Ranking by GDP per Capita
Korea, South: 28 ($20,244)
Saudi Arabia: 48 ($10,203)
Uzbekistan: 125 ($2,541)
Kuwait: 39 ($14,005)
http://www.countrywatch.com/includes/grank/gdpnumericppp.asp
Group A (Asia)
Korea, South
Saudi Arabia
Kuwait
Uzbekistan
Group B (Asia)
Iran
Japan
Bahrain
Korea, North
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trigger123
Joined: 08 Sep 2004
Location: TALKING TO STRANGERS, IN A BETTER PLACE
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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ladies and gents, here are the winners, runners up and placings for the 2006 world cup, courtesy of liesliesanddamnedstatistics.com
USA (GDP, no.1)
China
Japan
India
oh, hang on a minute, i meant
Luxembourg (GDP per capita, no.1)
San Marino
United States
Norway
or something.... |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Group A
Brazil
France
Argentina
Czech Republic
Group B
Spain
Mexico
Netherlands
England
Group C
Portugal
Italy
USA
Republic of Ireland
Group D
Sweden
Greece
Turkey
Uruguay
Group E
Denmark
Germany
Japan
Iran
Group F
Costa Rica
Korea, South
Nigeria
Croatia
Group G
Cameroon
Colombia
Poland
Paraguay
Group H
Romania
Saudi Arabia
Egypt
Senegal
http://www.fifa.com/en/mens/statistics/index/0,2548,All-Mar-2005,00.html |
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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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RR- do you mind? The grown-ups are trying to talk here.
To be honest I didn't notice much diving (but being surronded by korean fans you don't look for it as much) however they were trying to break through a 5 man defence with no creative ideas, I'd have gone down pretty easily too in that situation. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:13 am Post subject: |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:41 am Post subject: |
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| Swiss James wrote: |
| I like your idea in principle- the only problem is that you're pre-determining who the 'good' and 'bad' teams are- making the "minnows" play more games. |
That is a slight problem, but for the European example you could base seedings on performances in the last qualifying campaigns. Backdate it 8 years. You could also do the same for Asia, and Africa. Also, I think the minnows should play more games (as they do in the champs league preliminaries). The result would be less stress on big national teams having to play games they are more or less guaranteed to win. (San Marino, Leichtenstein, etc would never beat England for example).
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| You can do this in the FA cup because the teams in the premiership have already proven themselves to be a cut above the lower leagues, |
It certainly is easier to do in the FA cup. I'll admit that.
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| but with international teams are you going to use the FIFA rankings to do the seeding? Because I think it's dodgy. |
As an Englishman I find the FIFA rankings a joke. Mexico get points for beating teams like the Honduras, and Costa Rica in competitive world cup qualifiers. Surely Mexico wouldn't achieve such a high ranking if they played in the European qualifying section. I think my idea is very good, but the only question remains is how decide which teams will play in preliminaries. I think basing it on past performances in their respective qualifying region would be best. |
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Universalis
Joined: 17 Nov 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:52 am Post subject: |
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I tried to watch the game on TV last night but couldn't stomach it.
The announcers, rather than make at least an half-hearted attempt to maintain at least the facade of impartiality, went full-throttle with their hyper-nationalistic, rah-rah cheerleading. It was like watching a Harlem Globetrotters broadcast, with the other side (who were they again, Kerplakistan?) playing the role of the hapless Washington Generals, a team whose player's names, backstories, and experience were hardly worth mentioning.
When Korea had the ball, they talked about Korea; when Kerplakistan had the ball, they talked abotu Korea. When a Korean player fouled an opponent, they giggled; when a Kerplakistani fouled, they screamed bloody murder. I could go on and on...
It was just ridiculously bad...
Brian |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| Universalis wrote: |
I tried to watch the game on TV last night but couldn't stomach it.
The announcers, rather than make at least an half-hearted attempt to maintain at least the facade of impartiality, went full-throttle with their hyper-nationalistic, rah-rah cheerleading. It was like watching a Harlem Globetrotters broadcast, with the other side (who were they again, Kerplakistan?) playing the role of the hapless Washington Generals, a team whose player's names, backstories, and experience were hardly worth mentioning.
When Korea had the ball, they talked about Korea; when Kerplakistan had the ball, they talked abotu Korea. When a Korean player fouled an opponent, they giggled; when a Kerplakistani fouled, they screamed bloody murder. I could go on and on...
It was just ridiculously bad...
Brian |
But the Uzbeks will probably beat Korea in Uzbekistan. |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:59 am Post subject: |
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You are right Universalis. Even though my Korean is not wonderful, it was irritating to listen to the commentary from the obviously biased Korean sportscasters. Hyper-nationalism is a bad thing. Something that I am more convinced of every day as I live in Korea.
Shoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooting!!!
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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:56 am Post subject: |
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Gwangjuboy- I do like the principle of England only having to show up once the crap teams have proven there worth- whilst Scotland for example, run themselves ragged playing whoever we damn well want them to.
But- you're going to have to have a pretty complicated scenario so you don't just end up with
"Oh well they don't have to play the first 3 rounds because oh how they did last time"
"Yeah but last time the only people they beat were Honduras, Azerbaijan, and East Timor!"
Comparing International to club sides isn't fair anyway, clubs are stretched if they have to play too many games (Champions league, league and FA cups, premiership etc.) because they have finite squads. National teams can name 22 uncapped players if they want to, so where's the problem?
Bottom line- attendances are high, so there's no incentive to change the system |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| In my opinion the only real problem with my idea is deciding who should play in the prelimaries. Still, they already decide which teams should be seeded in WCQF rounds. Same principle really. |
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thorin
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:26 am Post subject: |
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Oh, why would you pay to watch that? Surely it will be on 5 channels 24 hours a day for the next three weeks. |
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