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mithridates · Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 2:11 am Post subject:

Shakuhachi, you've picked the wrong person to focus on. Plus you used the wrong word. Everything is explainable, whether it's justified or not.
I suppose you also disagreed with Bucheon Bum back during when Fallujah was being taken by US forces when he said they should go in their with all the firepower they have and just make an end of it as quick as possible? Somehow that view didn't strike me as being soft and apologetic.
As for whether Islam is truly incompatible with western civilization or not, I have not idea. I always differ to others when that subject comes up. I hope to have the answer in a few years.

Leslie Cheswyck · Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile

mithridates · Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 3:43 am Post subject:

I know what your point is, and what its limitations are. Nobody needs an A-class education to know that shooting up buses is wrong. You do admit though that there is something wrong when people in the States (for example) decide to beat up/shoot (I forget which one) an Indian because they can't tell the difference between a Moslem and a Hindu.

The initial reaction to the shooting up of a bus should be the same for just about everybody - revulsion and perhaps shock as well, depending on how close to home it is. After the event is when people begin using their experience to modify their world view, and that is when leaders can either use their powers responsibly by explaining in detail what the problem is, where it came from, who did it and why; or they can decide to use the revulsion and shock to further whatever agenda they wish.

Back to segregation - from what I know, segregation was wrong. I know nothing about it in detail though so you won't catch me arguing with someone who knows a lot more about it than I do. When you find yourself up against a bigot who is obviously more well-informed than you are (but nevertheless wrong) you can state the fact that there must be something wrong with what he's saying, that it clashes with the way the world should be, and that you suspect he has been only paying attention to one side of the story in his research. After that you can go off on your own, read up, and hopefully make an even more convincing argument the next time.

bucheon bum · Joined: 16 Jan 2003

dogbert · Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210

Among Arabs in Dearborn, Michigan, what is the proportion of Christian Arabs to Muslim Arabs?

bucheon bum · Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Well according to:

http://www.americancity.org/article.php?id_article=72

40,000 of Dearborn's 100,000 people are Arabs. The majority of them are Muslim.

A program from the Voice of America states:

" About three-hundred-seventy-thousand Arab-Americans live in or near the major city of Detroit, Michigan. Estimates say about half are Muslims. Population experts say many Muslims in the Detroit area were Palestinians."

http://www.voanews.com/specialenglish/Archive/a-2001-12-14-3-1.cfm

The biggest source is Palestine,followed by Lebanon, Yemen, and Iraq.

And a quick summary by a Michigan State academic on the Arab community in the detroit area:

http://www.commurb.org/features/sgold/detroit.html

shakuhachi · Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: Sydney

Buncheon Bum, lets explore your words using the magic of links.

Islam is incompatible with western civilization and yet Deerborn michigan still stands! London isn't on fire -yet. Paris is still the city of romance last time I checked. Rotterdamn manages to press on, even with the death of the filmmaker Van Gogh.

Far from my attitude being ignorant, it is your terrorist enabling attitude that is disgraceful and out of step with the morality of civilized people.

bucheon bum · Joined: 16 Jan 2003

WHAT HAVE I DONE TO HELP TERRORISTS? NAME ONE THING.

that's all i ask.

Good luck.

You know what's uncivilized? The fact that I would be putting myself in danger by walking across the street and deciding to take a stroll around Lake Merrit. The fact that I'd be at a high risk of being robbed or being a victim of violent crime if I decided to walk a few blocks in the wrong direction from my home. The fact that 100 murders in my city (population nearly 400,00) is considered "normal." You know where that is NOT NORMAL? Many muslim countries in the world. Now who is civilized??

You know what else is uncivilized? The fact that if it weren't for my mom's insistance I pay for health insurance, I'd be either a) near dead right now b) 1/4 milliion dollars in debt so I could save my life. And where do I live? the most advanced, richest country in the world.

Before you accuse 1 billion people of being uncivilized and being unfit to get along with us in the West, look in the goddamn mirror.

It is people like you who dehumanize others and view them as uncivilized that cause problems. That is EXACTLY what the terrorists do you idiot.

Out of step? You better hope my ass is in step or else this world is on its way to a clash that would make the crusades look like a great cultural convention.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee · Joined: 25 May 2003

I think during WWII much of Europe was uncivilized.

I think Spain was uncivilized in 1491.

bucheon bum · Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee · Joined: 25 May 2003

I don't think you read my message the right way Bucheon.

What I was trying to saying is that Europeans have acted very bad yet no one was calling their religion uncivilized.

In fact at the time the mid east was a lot more human and civilized than Europe was for a very long time.

Just cause Osama Bin Laden or Ayatollah Khomeni is a bigot doesn't mean that the muslim relgion is uncivilized. That was my message.

I think you have been on the ESL board too much.

dogbert · Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210

bucheon bum · Joined: 16 Jan 2003