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dogbert
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 Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Americans are dying because there are too many idiots in Washington who have bought the "Joo" line.
It's a lie...if we want to go after Al Qaeda, we need to invade Pakistan, which we won't.
If we are concerned about Muslims with nuclear weapons, again we need to take out Pakistan and Iran, which we won't.
Instead, we picked on Iraq and as yet, have nothing to show for it except body bags.
There is no valid comparison to World War II here. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| It's a lie...if we want to go after Al Qaeda, we need to invade Pakistan, which we won't. |
Al Qaeda is not only in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
Where in Pakistan would you look? Pakistan has a pro US leader who is no friend of Al Qaida - they even tried to kill him.
But the US will in fact be going into Wazerastan soon anyway.
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| If we are concerned about Muslims with nuclear weapons, again we need to take out Pakistan and Iran, which we won't. |
The best way to get Al Qaida is to get mideast governments to do it themselves. Mid east regimes control what happens in their nations they pay the clerics and run the media- If they are threatened then they will. If they change their behavior then the terror will stop.
Just like Syria expelled PKK when Turkey threatened them.
Iraq borders Syria Iran and Saudi Arabia and so bases there the US to project power through the mideast. Taking down Saddam also means the US doesn't have to contain him.
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| Instead, we picked on Iraq and as yet, have nothing to show for it except body bags. |
Al Qaida is all though the mideast the best way to fight them is to force mid east regimes to take out themselves. They can do it a lot better than the US can. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Al Qaida is all though the mideast the best way to fight them is to force mid east regimes to take out themselves. |
I would not advise holding one's breath while waiting for this to happen.
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| They can do it a lot better than the US can. |
Then why are young Americans still dying by the planeload? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-oppin124254947may12,0,4123195,print.column?coll=ny-viewpoints-headlines
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| So if the U.S. is not interested in "regime change" in Moscow, why is Uncle Sam so interested in positioning military assets across Eurasia? For the answer, one need only look at a map. From "New Europe" to Central Asia to Pakistan, the U.S. is building an arc of power above the Middle East, with the goal of completely surrounding the area. That's the real focus of American foreign policy in the 21st century, the transformation, by one tool or another, of the Arab countries, as well as Iran, into Iraq- and Afghanistan-like dependencies. For reasons of anti-terrorism, for reasons of oil, for reasons of neoconservative ideology, the U.S. wants to be ready to intervene anywhere in the region with overwhelming force. |
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mithridates
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:00 am Post subject: |
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Given stats like this, it really doesn't matter what supporters say:
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:14 am Post subject: |
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The president should do what he thinks is best for the country not what is popular.
Besides there is one more stat that should have been there. Bush 51% Kerry 49%
Korean war wasn't popular.
It is never worth it.
Besides most Americans oppose higher gas taxes - which is the only other effective weapon the US has. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| Besides there is one more stat that should have been there. Bush 51% Kerry 49% |
It's a statistic I like to quote when people try to say that the American people overwhelmingly support this war - probably the lowest margin of victory by a sitting president during wartime, with one of the highest percent of eliogible voters turnign out.
And you have STILL not brought yourself to reflect or commenton the OP - 3 pages later, Joo.
And it's partly me, I encouraged you instead of ignoring you ... but I was curious how many ludicrous things you would say while deflecting the topic from its actual subject. And you did not disappoint. You seldom do in that regard.
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mithridates
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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The guy is a hippocrite for supporting the war and then changing his mind when it affects him.
He sounds selfish to me, not thinking of others. It's like the man who watches the big blazing fire and simply walks right past, ignoring the calls from help from suffering kids and elderly until he sees that someone he knows is in danger. Only then does he start to help fight the fire.
I have little sympathy for his opinion about the war. Selfish-based opinions and politics never appealed to me. He was all gung-ho about the war originally, then changed his mind. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| The guy is a hippocrite for supporting the war and then changing his mind when it affects him. |
It's okay to change your mind. The fact that some people can is what gives me some hope. I think he was selfish before but now he's thinking about the parents of other kids being sent over there. That's my take on it. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| The president should do what he thinks is best for the country not what is popular. |
You are a fool if you trust a former cocaine user and alcoholic to do what is best for the country. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Besides there is one more stat that should have been there. Bush 51% Kerry 49% |
It's a statistic I like to quote when people try to say that the American people overwhelmingly support this war - probably the lowest margin of victory by a sitting president during wartime, with one of the highest percent of eliogible voters turnign out.
And you have STILL not brought yourself to reflect or commenton the OP - 3 pages later, Joo.
And it's partly me, I encouraged you instead of ignoring you ... but I was curious how many ludicrous things you would say while deflecting the topic from its actual subject. And you did not disappoint. You seldom do in that regard. |
No the guy said the war was bad for Iraq and that is not clear.
And again being against the war doesn't mean you are anti US.
However if one condemns the US war but refuses to condemn the insurgents for there war
If one refuses to condemn the wars of others against the US
If one worries that the US is too powerful
and thinks that if the US wins in Iraq that any strategic gains are ill gotten gains that must be surrendered
then they are not pro US. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| The president should do what he thinks is best for the country not what is popular. |
You are a fool if you trust a former cocaine user and alcoholic to do what is best for the country. |
51% of Americans thought so. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| The president should do what he thinks is best for the country not what is popular. |
You are a fool if you trust a former cocaine user and alcoholic to do what is best for the country. |
51% of Americans thought so. |
I wonder if they do now?
Anyhow, a great number of Americans are drug abusers, so they perhaps recognized a kindred spirit in Moron George. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| The president should do what he thinks is best for the country not what is popular. |
You are a fool if you trust a former cocaine user and alcoholic to do what is best for the country. |
51% of Americans thought so. |
I wonder if they do now?
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Funny you should ask. Take a look at this evening's entry of the blog in the link via the sigline here :
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| With discontent over U.S. casualties at a new peak, a record 58 percent say the war there was not worth fighting. Nearly two-thirds think the United States has gotten bogged down in Iraq, up 11 points since March. Forty-five percent go so far as to foresee the equivalent of another Vietnam. |
This is the wrong moment for people to be quoting numbers of Americans who are supporting Bush, He is getting the SMACKDOWN! even as we speak.
Can I refrain from mentioning the contradiction? No, I cannot. First, the fellow says that the president should do what is best for the country, not what is popular - then he cites a 51% margin as proof of popularity.
Well 51% is hardly proof of popularity, and well, he already said it's not important ... I guess one could call it covering all the bases ...
Still. Ya gotta wonder about someone with a brain like that ... |
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