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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Asians are succesful because of their hard work ethic and what they choose to study. It seems that not too many Asian students enter the Liberal Arts program. That would be seen as a waste. Their parents didn't come over here so they could earn a useless sociology degree. Go to any University and look at the graduating classes from the different departments. Asians appear to dominate the sciences. Arts? Thats for us white folks. |
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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| cjenny wrote: |
You don't have to "tell" your kids that you love them - Korean kids know that their parents love them even if they don't say, "I love you." You don't have to be verbal about love for your children. If you love your kids, they know that you love them. You seem to be very ignorant about Korean culture and view it as "inferior" compared to western culture.
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What kind of a doctor are you if you aren't "scholastically better"? If you aren't in the top percentile of the MCAT (Medical College Admission Test) and don't have a nearly perfect CGPA, you can't even have an interview with the recruiters. Also, if you can't understand what you read in your Biology book but you are a social person, you can't become a doctor. Even if you become a doctor you'll be killing a lot of people because of the mistakes you'll be making. Having great social skills does not make you a great doctor. I'd rather have a doctor who knows what he's doing. |
Got to agree with you here. Love is shown and felt in the way parents behave. It is, or ought to be, a given: it doesn't need to be stated. Ok, saying it once in a while is nice, but completely meaningless without demonstrating it.
I don't think that's just a Korean thing. It just happens to be a modern western thing to attach importance to being open with one's feelings.
And I think you're right about doctors too. Maybe some people (idiots?) want their doctors to be more friendly but most want medical expertise. What does happen sometimes is that doctors develop a bit of a god complex where they won't listen to patients, or continually ignore patient feedback that a particular kind of treatment isn't working. Again, I don't think this has anything to do with the doctor's being Asian or not. |
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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| so how do you suggest love is shown? |
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Hwajangsil Ajumma
Joined: 02 May 2005
Location: On my knees in the stall
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:28 am Post subject: |
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Hey, Komtengi, come to my hwajangsil with a bottle of soju and I'll show you some love.
You're not the only one who can lick your own nipples you know. |
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sonofthedarkstranger
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| matthewwoodford wrote: |
| cjenny wrote: |
You don't have to "tell" your kids that you love them - Korean kids know that their parents love them even if they don't say, "I love you." You don't have to be verbal about love for your children. If you love your kids, they know that you love them. You seem to be very ignorant about Korean culture and view it as "inferior" compared to western culture.
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Got to agree with you here. Love is shown and felt in the way parents behave. It is, or ought to be, a given: it doesn't need to be stated. Ok, saying it once in a while is nice, but completely meaningless without demonstrating it. |
I basically agree that actions speak louder than words. What I disagree with is the statement that it's OK for a parent to never tell their kids they love them, once, while growing up. That seems really fvcked up to me--no matter what else you do. cjenny seems to have no problem with a stated policy of never telling kids they are loved.
Of course it needs to be done in moderation. I'm no fan of Oprah-style gutletting either. But seriously, how hard is it to just tell your kid you love him/her? What kind of emotional damage would keep you from saying that every once in a while?? Are you afraid to say it? Is there some kind of barrier between you and your kid? Is it too scary for you to say it? You're afraid of intimacy with your child? What gives?
I guess I'd say it's essential to tell your kid you live him/her simply because there's no good reason on Earth not to. |
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poddubny
Joined: 03 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| komtengi wrote: |
another issue that has arisen is that the asians are generally scholastically better, but it doesnt make a better doctor. thus medicine courses are relying alot of interviews... last thing I want is a doctor with no or minimal social skills, poor bedside manner, and poor language skills |
yes, please send me to the surgeon who developed great social skills by partying instead of studying.
your teh smart. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Asian ethics - White people allow Yellow people a quick path out of Korean military service, Chinese oppression, slums of Calcutta and Asians reply by calling White people lazy and then pirate millions of CDs. I want to say go home once in awhile. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| dulouz wrote: |
| Asian ethics - White people allow Yellow people a quick path out of Korean military service, Chinese oppression, slums of Calcutta and Asians reply by calling White people lazy and then pirate millions of CDs. I want to say go home once in awhile. |
We are a generous group of burger flippers. |
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bossaco
Joined: 13 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| sonofthedarkstranger wrote: |
Yes, I do.
Parents should verbally tell their kids they love them.
Failure to do this is a symptom of an emotional retardation which will be passed down to their kids, and their kids' kids, and will poison their ability to have satisfying relationships. |
i agree... my husband is korean and he often tells me that he doesn't feel that his parents love him because they never told him... i always tell him that they love him, they just have a different way of showing it...
and another, i have a student who always complains to me that her parents push her too much to study... she's usually up by 7 and goes to sleep by 2 AM because of her numerous private classes... now she's studying very hard to be able to go to the US and study there where she thinks she'll have more freedom... |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| another issue that has arisen is that the asians are generally scholastically better, but it doesnt make a better doctor. |
All things being equal it obviously does. A doctor's first priority is to save lives and heal the sick, and that, first and foremost, requires a substantial knowledge and study of medicine. Social skills are secondary, though important. |
Substantial knowledge is vital but insufficient. A doctor's social skills are just as important as his medical knowledge. Making a proper diagnosis requires the ability to get the patient to accurately describe his or her symptoms and any relevant information. A textbook can't tell you how to get a patient how to admit he's having unprotected sex with men, or that he's actually having four or five drinks a night and not one as he says, etc. Not to mention how vital it is to have good interaction with your colleagues--nurses, other doctors, administration, etc. |
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Dan
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Sunny Glendale, CA
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think Asians are any smarter. I think Asians are more ambitious. To achieve more and better is a central part of the Asians cultures that I am aware of.
If I've met a non-ambitious white person (and they are a minority in my opinion), their attitude is, "life's good so lets enjoy it."
So I don't think it has to do with pure smarts or IQ or EQ or whatever. |
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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| poddubny wrote: |
| komtengi wrote: |
another issue that has arisen is that the asians are generally scholastically better, but it doesnt make a better doctor. thus medicine courses are relying alot of interviews... last thing I want is a doctor with no or minimal social skills, poor bedside manner, and poor language skills |
yes, please send me to the surgeon who developed great social skills by partying instead of studying.
your teh smart. |
ok  your skills of interpretation are quite poor. check hater depot's post... he worded it better |
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AdamH
Joined: 27 Aug 2004
Location: Bachman Turner Overdrive...Let's Rock!
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Alias wrote: |
| Asians are succesful because of their hard work ethic and what they choose to study. It seems that not too many Asian students enter the Liberal Arts program. That would be seen as a waste. Their parents didn't come over here so they could earn a useless sociology degree. Go to any University and look at the graduating classes from the different departments. Asians appear to dominate the sciences. Arts? Thats for us white folks. |
Yes..Asians are all about what is practical and can improve their lives and make money. Arts degrees don't cut it.
Westerners are a little more culturally oriented: your emotional, social and thought life is just as important as your material wealth. A job you enjoy even though it may not pay well, is held in high regard. An artist with a PHD in classical art has as much respect to us as a wealthy businessman. Not so to asians: money and earning potential is the measure of a man, because all things can be bought/have a price in Asia. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| AdamH wrote: |
| All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy... |
haha...all work and no play makes jack a rich guy, so the women say. |
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