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Why has U.S. been spared?
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jlb



Joined: 18 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:25 am    Post subject: Free country Reply with quote

How can any "free" country think they can protect their citizens from terrorist attacks? It's just absurd and in my opinion, impossible.

The USA and Britian worked to improve relations with the Muslim world might be a much better use of time and money instead of some ID card or whatever it is the USA is doing.

Who can stop a plane being taken over by crazy people and hitting some buildings? Who can stop a suicide bomber?
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iirc, Muslim extremists have also targeted Russia, Spain and Thailand over the past year or so. It's not like the US is the only enemy.

The US hasn't been "spared", and I don't doubt anyone could pull off a small bombing attack if they wanted to.

Also, the WTC attack was arguably an attack on the world - not just the US.
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Deconstructor



Joined: 30 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The U.S. has been spared because, I fear, the extremists are planning something really big like a nuclear attack.

A relatively small attack such as the London one would only send the message that that's the best the terrorist can do in the U.S...

It's been 4 years since 9/11. It is hard to believe that in all that time the terrorists couldn't put some kind of a plan to attack the U.S. in some way.

It's the calm before the storm.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:38 am    Post subject: Re: Free country Reply with quote

jlb wrote:

The USA and Britian worked to improve relations with the Muslim world might be a much better use of time and money instead of some ID card or whatever it is the USA is doing.


Fighting them is a much better use of cash.

Any concession or agreement will simply be seen as a temporary gaining of ground on the part of muslims. Then they will wait for an opportune moment to take some more.

Until a nation has embraced Islam, it is legally considered a battlefield (Dar-ul-Harb). Once it has converted to Islam (or all its citizens have been slaughtered or driven out), it then becomes a Land of Peace (Dar-us-Salaam).
INFILTRATE, OVERWHELM, SUBJUGATE AND THEN DEVOUR is the long term plan of Islam.

There is no point trying to make peace with scorpions that live in your house. They must be crushed.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Free country Reply with quote

jlb wrote:
How can any "free" country think they can protect their citizens from terrorist attacks? It's just absurd and in my opinion, impossible.

The USA and Britian worked to improve relations with the Muslim world might be a much better use of time and money instead of some ID card or whatever it is the USA is doing.

Who can stop a plane being taken over by crazy people and hitting some buildings? Who can stop a suicide bomber?



during the 1990's 70,000 trained in Al Qadia camps in Afghanistan. This was while the US was defending MUSLIM kurds from Saddam and MUSLIMS in Kosovo from Slobidan. This was also while the US was trying to bring the Israelis and the Palestinian side together.

Notice there were no demonstations in that part of the world when Saddam gassed the Kurds , when Hafaz Assad destroyed the city of Hama or when Khomeni killed 30,000 in 1989. Osama Bin Laden killed muslims but not many held it against him.

The regimes and the elites over there are behind the hate. Get rid of them and the terror will stop.
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nasigoreng



Joined: 14 May 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hari seldon wrote:
Bin laden's lieutenants had a semi-coherent international network of trained terrorists cells at their disposal on 9/11. Today, al-Qaeda is little more than a fanatical ideology. Its terrorists cells operate in an isolated, independent manner.


I agree, and i think it could be a case of : The boss (Al_Q leadership ) isn't at the office so let's slack off.
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rapier wrote:
Until a nation has embraced Islam, it is legally considered a battlefield (Dar-ul-Harb). Once it has converted to Islam (or all its citizens have been slaughtered or driven out), it then becomes a Land of Peace (Dar-us-Salaam).
INFILTRATE, OVERWHELM, SUBJUGATE AND THEN DEVOUR is the long term plan of Islam.

There is no point trying to make peace with scorpions that live in your house. They must be crushed.


A correct but incomplete explanation. There are also the newer concepts of Dar al-Amn and Dar al-Shahada. There is also the older Dar al-Ahd.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like America won't be spared after all.

CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) spokesman Ibrahim Hooper indicated in a 1993 interview with the Minneapolis Star Tribune that he wants to see the United States become a Muslim country.

Besides Louis Farrakan's Nation of Islam, the Black Panther and New Black Panther Parties with all their black wanna-be Muslims, there are also REAL Muslims and their communities are springing up everywhere. In 1970 there were an estimated one-hundred thousand Muslims in the United States. Today, the number is approximately 7-10 million. More than a quarter of a million people of Arab descent live in southeastern Michigan, making the area the second-largest Arab community outside the Middle East (after Paris, France). One frightening example of their prolific growth in American is Dearborn, Michigan. Of a total population of 90,000 Dearborn residents, 25,000 are now Arabs. And of all the Dearborn children under the age of 18, a full 58% are Arab children. Other developing centers of Arab/Muslim growth are Florida, Texas, New Jersey and California. "God Bless America".

Every year huge numbers of Arabs/Muslims from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Kuwaitis, Syria, Egypt, Albania and dozens of other ethnic Muslim states who hate America swarm into the United States and add to the already increasing numbers of Arab/Muslim. And every year hundreds of mosques, which preach the extermination of all non-Muslims and the Islamization of America, are being added to the thousands already pointing their minarets skyward. The vast majority (80%) of American mosques are funded with Saudi Arabian money and most subscribe to 18th century Wahhabism that calls for the spread of Islam through violence. Many mosques, "Islamic Learning Centers" and Arab/Muslim Student Unions are distributing large numbers of pamphlets and leaflets attacking Judaism, Christianity and other non-Muslim religions and urging young Americans (esp. angry black Americans) to convert to Islam. Not surprisingly, a large number of African-Americans convert to Islam while in the prison systems. The National Islamic Prison Foundation, which coordinates a campaign to convert inmates to Islam claim an average of 135,000 such conversions per year. And if thousands of self-hating, Leftwing Jews hadn't already converted to Buddhism, they too might be targeted.

The nerve of these evil people to exploit the freedoms given to them here in America and other democracies when their goal is to extinguish ALL freedom.

Many Arabs in America are a disloyal fifth column. They work relentlessly to undermine the U.S. struggle to survive in the face of the growing Muslim terrorist threat. The huge Muslim birthrate, Muslim immigration, the massive expansion of Muslim religious and educational institutions that convert Christians to Islam and the purchase of major U.S. companies by Muslim oil sheiks are all also part of their strategy. America's great friend (?), Saudi Arabia,( from whose land came fifteen of the nineteen September 11th Arab hijackers ) has for some time been spear-heading the spread of Islamic doctrine. The Saudis have wholly or partly financed some 210 Islamic Centers, more than 1,500 mosques and 202 colleges and almost 2,000 schools for educating Muslim children in non-Islamic countries in Europe, Asia, South America, Canada, Australia and America.

Islams assault on America:
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/77
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the sky is falling! the sky is falling!
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Today, the number is approximately 7-10 million.



Quote:
Muslim Immigrants in the United States

August 2002

By Daniel Pipes and Khalid Dur�n



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In addition, there are questions about whom to count (do Ahmadis, legally not considered Muslims in Pakistan, count as Muslims in the United States?). Taking these and other complications into account, a statistical picture is emerging that points to a total Muslim population in the United States of about three million, of which immigrants make up two-thirds to three-quarters.

Accepting that this number is necessarily rough, it does point to somewhat over two million Muslim immigrants, or slightly less than one percent of the U.S. national population



Notice that Daniel Pipes co-wrote the article quoted above. http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back802.html

It's the same author as rapier quotes.
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Wrench



Joined: 07 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a simple solution to muslims attacking the west. Stop all imigration and ban any countries that are muslims entry into the US.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrench wrote:
Here is a simple solution to muslims attacking the west. Stop all imigration and ban any countries that are muslims entry into the US.


That's the dumbest idea I've seen this week.

Ban him?





What about them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Arab

"any countries that are muslims" - I don't even know what that means. Ban any countries that have muslims? How about you explain your brilliant plan in detail then.
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Leslie Cheswyck



Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile

PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
the sky is falling! the sky is falling!


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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Amir Taheri
Amir Taheri was born in Iran and educated in Tehran, London and Paris.

From 1984 to 1987 he was editor-in-chief of Jeune Afrique, the French weekly specialising in Africa.

Between 1980 and 1984 he was Middle East editor for the London Sunday Times. He also wrote for the daily Times and contributed to The Daily Telegraph, The Guardian, and the Daily Mail among other leading British publications.

Between 1972 and 1979 he was executive editor-in-chief of Kayhan, Iran's main daily newspaper.

He has been a columnist for the pan-Arab daily Asharq Alawsat and its sister daily Arab News since 1987.

Taheri has been a contributor to the International Herald Tribune since 1980. He has also written for The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, Newsday, and The Washington Post.

Between 1989 and 1995 Taheri was editorial writer for the German daily Die Welt. He has also written for other publications including Der Spiegel, Die Zeit and Frankfurter Algemeine Zeitung in Germany, La Repubblica in Italy, L'Express, Politique Internationale and Le Nouvel Observateur in France, and El Mundo in Spain.

Currently he is a contributor to the German weekly Focus.

Taheri has published nine books some of which have been translated into 20 languages.

In 1988 Publishers' Weekly in New York chose his study of Islamist terrorism, "Holy Terror", as one of The Best Books of The Year. Another of his books "The Cauldron: The Middle East Behind The Headlines" has been used as a textbook in various colleges in Britain and Canada.

Taheri was member of the Board of Trustees of the Institute for International Political and Economic Studies (IIPES) from 1975 to 1980 and member of the Executive Board of the International Press Institute (IPI) from 1984 to 1992.

He is winner of several journalistic prizes.

Taheri is a commentator for CNN and is frequently interviewed by other media including the BBC and the RFI. He has written several TV documentaries dealing with various issues of the Muslim world.

He has interviewed many world leaders including Presidents Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Clinton, King Faisal, Mikhail Gorbachev, President Sadat, Chou En-lai, Indira Gandhi, Chancellor Helmut Kohl etc.

Recent articles by Amir Taheri




http://www.benadorassociates.com/taheri.php
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khyber



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the US has been spared?
So i guess i've been imagining the headlines in iraq?
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