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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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 Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| What I'm saying is that if someone want to tally that up as insurgent numbers that you could also look at it the other way as well. In any case they are just criminals. |
What other way? Are you attempting to state that the criminals could be seen as supporting the U.S.? Both the criminals and the insurgents are anti-U.S. And like I said there is a very high possibility that many are members of both groups. |
You're giving them way too much credit. Criminals on the whole think about money, not geopolitics. If soldiers were weak they would probably prey on them too, but abducting regular people is way better and there's no reprisal either. |
Yes, criminals care about money (and their lifestyle), but TUM has a point. Saddam kept crime low not by breaking up cartels and gangs but by controlling them and manipulating them to his ends. He did this remarkably well.
Of course, there's also this analysis from "Street Gangs: The New Urban Insurgency", by Dr. Max G. Manwaring courtesy of Stygius:
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| The primary thrust of this monograph is to explain the linkage of contemporary criminal street gangs (that is, the gang phenomenon or third generation gangs) to insurgency in terms of the instability it wreaks upon government and the concomitant challenge to state sovereignty. Although there are differences between gangs and insurgents regarding motives and modes of operations, this linkage infers that gang phenomena are mutated forms of urban insurgency. |
Both Mith and TUM are correct. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 4:08 am Post subject: |
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What? Saddam was a horrible mass-murderer? Quelle surprise!
Luckily I know math! |
Well you have to compare that to the what the rule of Saddam would bring plus the rule of his sons which were coming up next. And might rule Iraq for another 50 years.
Also figure in the cost of keeping sancitons on Iraq or what Saddam would do if he was free?
Saddam and tried to get WMDs and threaten kuwait more than once in the past and there no reason to think he wouldn't do so again if he got free.
You have seen this article before. So I will only put up the link but I would really like to see an good answer to it.
http://usinfo.state.gov/mena/Archive/2004/Feb/12-612534.html
Remember Saddam's sons were coming up next. All the evidence was that they were just and ruthless and cruel as their father.
One more thing if the US changed the strategic situation in the mideast that would be a good thing too.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| and were those insurgents doing that before the USA became involved? No. |
Many of them were probably supporting the regime of Saddam. They weren't exactly not up to no good. |
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