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| Did Old Man Bush have a hand in killing JFK ??? |
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| Gee, I've never considered that possibilty ... tell me more ... |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| These two organizations were CIA (backed) Domestic Operations in Dallas... |
By the way, CIA ran no domestic operations, ever. Seymour Hersh alleged this in the Watergate era. The Church Committee and the Rockefeller Commision investigated this issue. They concluded what I just reported.
CIA had a "Domestic Contacts Division," housed not in the Directorate of Plans but in the Directorate of Intelligence (the research, report writing, and estimates branch). It was an overt activity: interviewing businessmen who had lived abroad to see what they knew and who they knew. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| But what if there wasn't a wolf? |
Well Kennedy's brains didn't just blast out of his head on their own.
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| I think you're too wedded to the conspiracy theories, unwilling to accept a non-conspiracy interpretation, for example. |
The Kennedy assassination ranks as one of the most notorious conspiracies of modern times.
No, sorry ... as with most people, I just don't "buy" the official lone gunman / magic bullet / Warren Commission white wash. Actually, now that i come to think of it, in 1977 i don't think the House Select Committee on Assassinations ( the government panel key witnesses, such as George DeMohrenschildt and former Cuban President Carlos Prio Soccaras were slated to appear in front of before they died within weeks of each other ) did either 
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:pp6yibteH-kJ:www.assassinationresearch.com/v1n2/deaths.html+demohrenschildt+senate+1977+house+select+committee+assassinations++&hl=en
As insightful as many of your comments are mate you equally seem to relish in persistently playing the classic devil's advocate. Why this is of course i can only speculate.
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| Just to restate this theory, in the driest way that I can: this film argues that George H.W. Bush, a very early CIA agent, arranged for the assassination of JFK in order to become "made" in a secret society which controls U.S. politics. He arranged for Howard Hunt and several others to shoot JFK in a conspiracy that involved dozens of people (Secret Service, military commanders, gov. of Texas, CIA and FBI agents, Cuban exiles) |
From what i recall, the claim made in the documentary is that he is believed to have helped with managing the logistics of ONE of the 3 sniper teams. Obviously a LOT of people had a job to do that day; not just the guy who would find himself some 25 odd years later miraculously oozing his way to the top of AmeriKa's political food chain.
I notice as well you brushed over the DeMohrenschildt connexion. Hundreds of letters, phone calls & meetings both before AND after the killing. Remember, Poppy's good "friend" & wealthy CIA oilman who also happened to be friends with "I'm a Patsy" Oswald ??? Who knows, maybe you're still trying to come up with a response.
You ALSO failed to respond to old man Bush's inability to remember exactly wherehe was on that eventful day. Moreover, his claim that " ... it must have been ANOTHER George Bush of the CIA" !!! 
I'm also assuming you're not entirely up to speed on the Hinkley / Bush connexion.
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| Do these claims strike you as reasonable? |
While clearly testing the limits of what most would consider reasonable, nothing is outside the realm of possibility, especially when it comes to how they killed JFK.
Many questions still left unanswered. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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BTTT - well worth the time to watch, whatever you think before.
And after. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| nothing is outside the realm of possibility, especially when it comes to how they killed JFK. Many questions still left unanswered. |
These are the straws that you keep grasping.
Sure. Anything is possible. But to say that it was so, you would need direct evidence.
Do you know the difference between circumstantial/inferential evidence and direct evidence?
Do you realize that you have zero direct evidence? Doesn't that bother you? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Sure. Anything is possible. But to say that it was so, you would need direct evidence.
Do you know the difference between circumstantial/inferential evidence and direct evidence?
Do you realize that you have zero direct evidence? Doesn't that bother you? |
Yes, agreed. A lot more IS often possible than what most are in fact willing or for that matter courageous enough to concede.
Zero "direct" evidence ... ? Bothered by it ? No.
Anyways, i just came across this & thought i'd post it for the public's general viewing *cough* pleasure.
Division 4 Team Names Clintons, Bush 41, 43 in JFK Jr. Assassination
by Tom Flocco
��One of my family members was related to JFK Jr.��s grandmother, and although it was not a blood relationship, I had at least a half dozen lengthy conversations with John during the years before he died.
We liked each other and hit it off; so this was why John opened up to me and seemed to trust me regarding his future plans to run against either Hillary Clinton for the Senate or George W. Bush for the Presidency in 2000.
John had many conversations with my relative; and he gave her permission to discuss his political aspirations with friends so this was not a closely held secret. But what was interesting was that John told me he was pretty sure he could win either of those races.�� ("Delbert," former Interpol operative and CIA Division 4 team member)
http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/PurgeTheEvil.htm
Caldwell, New Jersey -- August 31, 2005 -- TomFlocco.com -- ��I know I��m risking my life in allowing you to interview me; but I��m aware there is an operational grand jury and indictments regarding the White House, so now is the time.
I��m tired of knowing all the details and perpetrators of the murder of an innocent and good man without seeing justice. John��s death has caused tremendous trauma throughout the Kennedy family,�� said a 40-ish ex-operative who consented to discuss the investigation and his part in writing the JFK Jr. plane crash preliminary and final reports authorized by the FBI. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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Did the Bushes Help to Kill JFK?
If you're at all interested in this topic check this out! One of the best interviews i've heard in some time.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/fetzer_03_03_03.mp3
Fetzer lays out the Bush connection shortly after the 6 minute mark. Bay of Pigs & Oil were definite factors.
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush.htm
Mark Lane in his book "Plausible Deniabilty" apparently documents Bush 41 meeting with Oswald AFTER the shooting in the Dallas jail. What they talked about i have no idea. You can, however, find the story somewhere near page 320. Anyone got this book?
Posada Carriles? US asylum application connects to JFK assassination
Here, an expert on the Kennedy assassination asks:
Does Posada have incriminating evidence against Bush senior?
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/truthout.htm
THE MAN THAT PLACED LUIS POSADA CARRILES IN DEALEY PLAZA ON 11/22/63
Chauncey Marvin Holt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles
Was LBJ involved? Yes, absolutely. His mistress is on the record as him having told her flat out ... TWICE!!! J. Edgar Hoover played his part as well.
Johnny Roselli in 1971 claiming to have been "left hanging out to dry" after delivering the fatal shot from the man-hole cover? Took him 20 minutes to find his way out of the sewer labyrinth.
Dealey Plaza that day held a rogue's gallery of thugs & "in the know" spooks. Would naturally make any investigation quite confusing.
The boxcar linked to the 3 tramps was, according to tramp Chauncey Holt, loaded with guns & explosives.
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/holt1.htm
In essence the secret service set him up, CIA & Mafia took him out & FBI covered it up.
Coup D'etat USA.
Fetzer's site ...
http://www.assassinationscience.com/ |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| the name ZAPATA has for researchers long helped to shed a lotta light on a few things. |
Do you mean Zapruder?
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(The) Zapruder (Film) refers to one of the films of the assassination. It was hidden from the American people until 1975 because it clearly shows that Kennedy was hit from the front, thus blowing out of the water the Warren Commission's nonsense of a lone gunman firing the only shots from above and behind of the motorcade.
It was shown on Good Night America , hosted by Geraldo Rivera and opened up a firestorm of anger.
Zapata Oil ( Company) was George H. W. Bush's front company off the Florida coast (near Cuba) where he staged his attacks on that Island Country. He also placed a call as a "businessman" interested in the security of a certain John F Kennedy, on the day JFK was killed and somehow the message was delayed. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 4:07 am Post subject: |
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Researchers Challenge Kennedy Lone Gunman "Theory"
By David Morgan
Thu May 17, 3:33 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Bullet analysis used to justify the lone assassin theory behind President John F. Kennedy's assassination is based on flawed evidence, according to a team of researchers including a former top FBI scientist.
Writing in the Annals of Applied Statistics, the researchers urged a reexamination of bullet fragments from the 1963 shooting in Dallas to confirm the number of bullets that struck Kennedy.
Official investigations during the 1960s concluded that Kennedy was hit by two bullets fired by Lee Harvey Oswald.
But the researchers, including former FBI lab metallurgist William Tobin, said new chemical and statistical analyses of bullets from the same batch used by Oswald suggest that more than two bullets could have struck the president.
"Evidence used to rule out a second assassin is fundamentally flawed," the researchers said in their article.
"If the assassination (bullet) fragments are derived from three or more separate bullets, then a second assassin is likely."
The Kennedy assassination set off a whirlwind of theories about who killed the 46-year-old president.
The President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy, known unofficially as the Warren Commission, concluded in 1964 that Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, fired three shots, one of which missed the president's car.
There have been many challenges to its conclusions over the years.
The House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that Oswald was probably part of a conspiracy that could have included a second gunman who fired but missed Kennedy.
The panel's supporting evidence was a bullet analysis that said fragments collected from the site were too similar to be from more than two slugs.
But the latest report found that many bullets from the same batch used by Oswald had a similar composition.
"Further, we found that one of the thirty bullets analyzed in our study also compositionally matched one of the fragments from the assassination," the article said.
"This finding means that the bullet fragments from the assassination that match could have come from three or more separate bullets." |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| nothing is outside the realm of possibility, especially when it comes to how they killed JFK. Many questions still left unanswered. |
But to say that it was so, you would need direct evidence.
Do you know the difference between circumstantial/inferential evidence and direct evidence?
Do you realize that you have zero direct evidence? Doesn't that bother you? |
The Zapruder film, which clearly shows a shot from the front , is direct evidence of more than one shooter , thus a conspiracy. The Warren Commission was a lie.
Watch the evidence for yourself.
Watch William Greer , the Secret Service Agent driver look back at Kennedy not once , but twice as he slows down the car to a near halt.
(how could he drive when he was looking back)
Agent Roy Kellerman , who just sat there in the front passenger seat for six seconds and also look back at Kennedy until he is finished off.
Look closely at the eight Secret Service Agents in the "Queen Mary", the follow up car , who are five feet away and WHO DO NOT MOVE, when the shots rang out and ASK YOURSELF:
Was this behavior normal for a crew of people who are only there for one purpose; to protect the President?
So when their charge is under fire , they do NOTHING.
Well is it?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9w6zveedj0o |
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cosmo
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
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| Highly unlikely, at least from where Oswald supposedly shot him. |
JFK and Abraham Lincoln were Jewish.
They were shot in the temple. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 2:38 am Post subject: |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 3:04 am Post subject: |
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As of Sept. '03 - according to ABC, 70% of Americans believed it was a plot. Glad to see you 30%ers so active, per usual. With the revelations from E.H. Hunt, don't some of you gov't apologists think it a good time to revisit the issue?
From Wiki:
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| The committee concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at President John F. Kennedy. The second and third shots he fired struck the President. The third shot he fired killed him. The HSCA agreed with the single bullet theory, but concluded that it occurred at a time point during the assassination that differred from what the Warren Commission had theorized. Their theory, based primarily on Dictabelt evidence, was that President Kennedy was assassinated probably as a result of a conspiracy. They proposed that four shots had been fired during the assassination; Oswald fired the first, second, and fourth bullets, and that (based on the acoustic evidence) there was a high probability that an unnamed second assassin fired the third bullet, but missed, from President Kennedy's right front, from a location concealed behind the Grassy Knoll picket fence. |
And from FoxNews, 2004:
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| The FOX News poll, conducted by Opinion Dynamics Corporation (search), also shows that most Americans (74 percent) think there was a cover-up of the facts about the assassination of JFK. Few people (14 percent) think �we know all the facts� and 12 percent are unsure. |
Here's a rather unscientific poll: http://htmlgear.tripod.com/poll/control.poll?u=mike_griffith1
EDIT:
I'm now watching the film. At around the 46th minute there is subtle confirmation of Hunt's involvement. Coincidence? I think not.
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Otus
Joined: 09 Feb 2006
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Much as I liked Bush senior, couldn't help but find one add the Democrats ran against him before his election, amusing.
This partly obscured figure is seen walking through a snowstorm. The figure walks off into the distance. Something doesn't look quite right.
A voice then comes on: "Ever wonder why George Bush leaves no footprints?"
Sure enough as the figure walked past the camera no footprints remained in the snow.
Campaigning against Clinton he really transformed his image from one of intrigue to a conservative fuddy-duddy. Couldn't help but wonder if the Republicans threw away that election for the GOP revolution that came. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| Otus wrote: |
Much as I liked Bush senior, couldn't help but find one add the Democrats ran against him before his election, amusing.
This partly obscured figure is seen walking through a snowstorm. The figure walks off into the distance. Something doesn't look quite right.
A voice then comes on: "Ever wonder why George Bush leaves no footprints?"
Sure enough as the figure walked past the camera no footprints remained in the snow.
Campaigning against Clinton he really transformed his image from one of intrigue to a conservative fuddy-duddy. Couldn't help but wonder if the Republicans threw away that election for the GOP revolution that came. |
For more on the Zapruder film, check this out:
http://www.assassinationscience.com/johncostella/jfk/intro/fast.html |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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I confess. I did it! I was the guy on the grassy knoll, and the tooth fairly and the great pumpkin can corroborate my story>
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