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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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EFLT
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| And this government existed at the time the war started, and the resistance? |
It is a recognized government now even by the arab league.
Besides the " resistance"/"insurgents" were there before the US took down Saddam, it just was that they was helping Saddam persecute and oppress Iraqis and/ or helping Saddam with his geo political agenda. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone care to place a wager? Because I would bet that most of the gore pictures claimed to be from soldiers in Iraq were just pulled off of AP picture feeds. While the western media doesn't generally print such shots, they do get uploaded to the servers for possible use one day.
A friend of mine once sent me a large collection of AP news pictures which included the bodies of suicide bombers, people shot, and other pictures of people who died of less than natural or happy causes.
At the very least, it would be very easy for people to upload pictures of dead claimed Iraqis while claiming to be soldiers and get free porn.
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I was at a checkpoint when a female suicide bomber dressed in military gear showed up. Check out my pic! Porn please.
Reality: She was a female suicide bomber that attacked a concert in Moscow a couple years back. Do not pretend this link is worksafe.
Though her body was relatively well intact (as can be seen in the last picture there) as the explosives were around her hips to keep hidden. When bombers attack Israel, they tend to wear heavy clothing so they can really load up. Even less safe.
All pictures provided from the Associated Press. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
Anyone care to place a wager? Because I would bet that most of the gore pictures claimed to be from soldiers in Iraq were just pulled off of AP picture feeds. While the western media doesn't generally print such shots, they do get uploaded to the servers for possible use one day.
A friend of mine once sent me a large collection of AP news pictures which included the bodies of suicide bombers, people shot, and other pictures of people who died of less than natural or happy causes.
At the very least, it would be very easy for people to upload pictures of dead claimed Iraqis while claiming to be soldiers and get free porn.
Example:
I was at a checkpoint when a female suicide bomber dressed in military gear showed up. Check out my pic! Porn please.
Reality: She was a female suicide bomber that attacked a concert in Moscow a couple years back. Do not pretend this link is worksafe.
Though her body was relatively well intact (as can be seen in the last picture there) as the explosives were around her hips to keep hidden. When bombers attack Israel, they tend to wear heavy clothing so they can really load up. Even less safe.
All pictures provided from the Associated Press. |
Now, now Mr. Gord. You should really know by now that certain people don't care if certain news is true or false, as long as it creates a convienent stick to beat the U.S. and by extension the Bush adminstration.
All sarcasm aside, well done sir! I take off my hat to you. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Gord wrote: |
Anyone care to place a wager? Because I would bet that most of the gore pictures claimed to be from soldiers in Iraq were just pulled off of AP picture feeds. While the western media doesn't generally print such shots, they do get uploaded to the servers for possible use one day.
A friend of mine once sent me a large collection of AP news pictures which included the bodies of suicide bombers, people shot, and other pictures of people who died of less than natural or happy causes.
At the very least, it would be very easy for people to upload pictures of dead claimed Iraqis while claiming to be soldiers and get free porn.
Example:
I was at a checkpoint when a female suicide bomber dressed in military gear showed up. Check out my pic! Porn please.
Reality: She was a female suicide bomber that attacked a concert in Moscow a couple years back. Do not pretend this link is worksafe.
Though her body was relatively well intact (as can be seen in the last picture there) as the explosives were around her hips to keep hidden. When bombers attack Israel, they tend to wear heavy clothing so they can really load up. Even less safe.
All pictures provided from the Associated Press. |
Now, now Mr. Gord. You should really know by now that certain people don't care if certain news is true or false, as long as it creates a convienent stick to beat the U.S. and by extension the Bush adminstration.
All sarcasm aside, well done sir! I take off my hat to you. |
This thread was about the Bush administration??? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 3:29 am Post subject: |
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[. You should really know by now that certain people don't care if certain news is true or false, as long as it creates a convienent stick to beat the U.S. and by extension the Bush adminstration.
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I said "by extension" |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:08 am Post subject: |
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[. You should really know by now that certain people don't care if certain news is true or false, as long as it creates a convienent stick to beat the U.S. and by extension the Bush adminstration.
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I said "by extension" |
And you are still full of it. Yes, Joo did politicize the thread there for a bit and I did make the mistake of responding to him. But note Joo, the hyper-conservative politicized it. But you swing at the assumed "liberal(s)" instead. So, hypocrisy the drink of the day? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| And you are still full of it. Yes, Joo did politicize the thread there for a bit and I did make the mistake of responding to him. But note Joo, the hyper-conservative politicized it. But you swing at the assumed "liberal(s)" instead. So, hypocrisy the drink of the day? |
Voted for Clinton , Clinton , Gore. Support Kyoto and stem cell research. Even favor affirmative action for the most part
Opposed Bush's tax cuts. Favor increasing the gas tax way up.
My views are more or less the same as Bill Clinton , Thomas Friedman or Fareed Zakaria , John McCain or Rudy Gulliani.
Not hyperconservative . Maybe it is just that you are way left wing EFL Trainer.
As another poster once said it is just that "you all drank the Koolaid and live in Trostsky land"
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
[. You should really know by now that certain people don't care if certain news is true or false, as long as it creates a convienent stick to beat the U.S. and by extension the Bush adminstration.
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I said "by extension" |
And you are still full of it. Yes, Joo did politicize the thread there for a bit and I did make the mistake of responding to him. But note Joo, the hyper-conservative politicized it. But you swing at the assumed "liberal(s)" instead. So, hypocrisy the drink of the day? |
I never said anything about liberals. What are you talking about? The thread was about U.S soldiers. Who is the top dog, the head honcho, the Commander-in-Chief, the-buck-stops-here person, the go to guy, the man in charge of said soldiers?
Could it possibly be.......wait for it.....George W. Bush? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:41 am Post subject: |
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Convicted US soldier says 'worse things' have happened at Abu Ghraib
Mon Oct 3, 3:37 AM ET
WASHINGTON (AFP) - A US soldier convicted of humiliating and abusing Iraqi prisoners said in an interview she knew of "worse things" happening at Abu Ghraib and insisted military commanders were fully aware of what was going on in Iraq's infamous jail.
The comments, made by Private First Class Lynndie England in her first post-court marshal interview, contradicted assertions by top Pentagon officials that a small group of out-of-control soldiers were responsible for abuse at Abu Ghraib, and that however repulsive that mistreatment was, it did not amount to torture.
England, who became the face of the scandal because of a photograph of her holding a naked prisoner by a leash, was sentenced last Tuesday to three years in prison and dishonorably discharged from the Army after a military jury found her guilty of maltreating prisoners and committing an indecent act.
The trial capped a damaging scandal that erupted in 2004, following publication of pictures that showed Abu Ghraib inmates piled up naked on the floor in front of US soldiers, cowering in front of snarling military dogs, chained to beds in stress positions and forced to stand naked in front of female guards.
But England, appearing on NBC's "Dateline" program, said the pictures did not convey the full extent of the abuse that took place in the cell block.
"I know worse things were happening over there," admitted the 22-year-old convict.
She said one night she heard blood-curdling screams coming from the block's shower room, where non-military interrogators had taken an Arab detainee.
"They had the shower on to muffle it, but it wasn't helping," she recalled. "They never screamed like that when we were humiliating. But this guy was like screaming bloody murder. I mean it still haunts me I can still hear it just like it happened yesterday."
The interrogators were not identified, but several investigations into the abuse have disclosed that Central Intelligence Agency operatives worked at Abu Ghraib alongside US military intelligence, trying to glean useful information.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/usiraqprisonersengland;_ylt=AhFFB5N3ox85HLZqunQnj_Nhr7sF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:23 am Post subject: |
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First: I've got to say: damn, she is an ugly woman.
Second: who remembers that Ivy-League sociology experiment a while back, where two groups of students were separated into "guards" and "prisoners" and then placed in a mock jail-setting? And before too much time had elapsed, the guards were abusing the prisoners, and this suggested a conclusion somewhere along the lines that this kind of thing is human nature, and that that's where it comes from.
"Every cop is a criminal." Mick Jagger |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:38 am Post subject: |
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EFLT said:
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| And you are still full of it. Yes, Joo did politicize the thread there for a bit and I did make the mistake of responding to him. But note Joo, the hyper-conservative politicized it. But you swing at the assumed "liberal(s)" instead. So, hypocrisy the drink of the day? |
Voted for Clinton , Clinton , Gore. Support Kyoto and stem cell research. Even favor affirmative action for the most part
Opposed Bush's tax cuts. Favor increasing the gas tax way up.
My views are more or less the same as Bill Clinton , Thomas Friedman or Fareed Zakaria , John McCain or Rudy Gulliani.
Not hyperconservative . Maybe it is just that you are way left wing EFL Trainer.
As another poster once said it is just that "you all drank the Koolaid and live in Trostsky land" |
My Momma always told me to watch what people do, not what they say. hile I do not call you a liar, there is nothing in your posts that I have seen that correlates to your earlier voting record. Your current posts/opinions and the fact you did, in fact, vote for Dumbya AFTER all this crap hit the fan, perhaps you are a traumatized Amerikan? I, too, cannot be defined as one thing, though many would assume I am "liberal" on all issues, which is not the case. However, even after 9/11 I had no trouble keeping tghe core of my beliefs intact because I knew over time they would see us/me through the touhest parts better than any reactionary actions possibly could. It seems to me Bush's message of fear has resonated. That is exactly why he got re-elected even after doing such a horrid job as president.
Just my view from very limited contact with you. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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[. You should really know by now that certain people don't care if certain news is true or false, as long as it creates a convienent stick to beat the U.S. and by extension the Bush adminstration.
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I said "by extension" |
And you are still full of it. Yes, Joo did politicize the thread there for a bit and I did make the mistake of responding to him. But note Joo, the hyper-conservative politicized it. But you swing at the assumed "liberal(s)" instead. So, hypocrisy the drink of the day? |
I never said anything about liberals. What are you talking about? The thread was about U.S soldiers. Who is the top dog, the head honcho, the Commander-in-Chief, the-buck-stops-here person, the go to guy, the man in charge of said soldiers?
Could it possibly be.......wait for it.....George W. Bush? |
I don't think we are talking about the same thing. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:43 am Post subject: |
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First: I've got to say: damn, she is an ugly woman.
Second: who remembers that Ivy-League sociology experiment a while back, where two groups of students were separated into "guards" and "prisoners" and then placed in a mock jail-setting? And before too much time had elapsed, the guards were abusing the prisoners, and this suggested a conclusion somewhere along the lines that this kind of thing is human nature, and that that's where it comes from.
"Every cop is a criminal." Mick Jagger |
Actually, unless it's a rehash of a very famous experiment, it was at least 22 years ago. Got the researcher into tons of hot water. Scary, scary results. But, then, these boards do the same. Look at you and I, for example. We agree on many things on a fundamental level, yet somehow our communications are fairly warped. humankind is not simple, and when put into situations where limited info and stimulation are the norm, strange things can happen. All the more reason not to let a conservative agenda skew things so badly the center is lost. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
First: I've got to say: damn, she is an ugly woman.
Second: who remembers that Ivy-League sociology experiment a while back, where two groups of students were separated into "guards" and "prisoners" and then placed in a mock jail-setting? And before too much time had elapsed, the guards were abusing the prisoners, and this suggested a conclusion somewhere along the lines that this kind of thing is human nature, and that that's where it comes from.
"Every cop is a criminal." Mick Jagger |
OOOHHHH!! You so radical, you so bad ... you just full of that Sympathy for the Devil, ain't joo?
The professor who conducted that experiment was not on the faculty of an Ivy-League school, unless Stanford has been included into their number while I was busy doing something else. His name was Zimbardo and even though it all happened about 30 years ago, there is much that we can learn from today - if we look, we can see that the reality of torture and cruelty come to exist when the conditions requisite for them exist.
And yes, this has pertinent applications to any discussion of Abu Ghraib or the current abuses and tortures being performed in the name of our country at the present time.
Lundie England has been called worse than simply ugly. The scariest thing you can say about her is that she is an average American and an average human being, not kuch different from most people who would have been in the place she was and at the time in history she was asked to be there.
Do some reading about Zimbardo. I do recommend it. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:44 am Post subject: |
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And yes, this has pertinent applications to any discussion of Abu Ghraib or the current abuses and tortures being performed in the name of our country at the present time.
Lundie England has been called worse than simply ugly. The scariest thing you can say about her is that she is an average American and an average human being, not kuch different from most people who would have been in the place she was and at the time in history she was asked to be there.
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Which is exactly why it is so infuriating that the Amrican public has accepted that this woman of minimal intelligence and sophistication concieved and carried out his plan of torture when we know:
1. Bush and Cheney are on record as supporting the use of torture
2. Bush and Cheney are on record as stating the US is exempt from restrictions on the use of torture in these cases
3. Bush and Cheney have shipped off prisoners to locations where there are NO restrictions on the use of torture
4. Bush and Cheney have have kidnapped people and shipped them to locations where there are NO restrictions on the use of torture...
...yet, this was the work of TWO soldiers in Iraq?
There is something rotting in the hearts of Americans... |
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