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ifa79
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:06 am Post subject: |
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Since they are known as the Olympic GAMES then "games" such as curling, baseball and table-tennis have the right to be in the Olympics. Every game or sport tests and measures different kinds of skills in a competative fashion and if people want to watch them then let them compete. The criteria should be some kind of physical movement of the legs and arms so as to keep out chess, bridge and warcraft.
Curling is also the only sport/game in the Olympics where the players/athletes wear microphones. Nov that's special. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:28 am Post subject: |
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Bulsajo wrote: |
Watch de oice dere, bye. |
that's h'ice to you, bye! |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:38 am Post subject: |
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ifa79 wrote: |
Since they are known as the Olympic GAMES then "games" such as curling, baseball and table-tennis have the right to be in the Olympics. |
No. The Olympics has always been about athletes and athletics. Sports. We do play sports games. But games should not be used to include things that are more games than contests of athletic ability. From the Olympic charter:
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The goal of Olympism is to place sport at the service of the
harmonious development of man, with a view to promoting a
peaceful society concerned with the preservation of human dignity. |
See. Sport. Not game. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:02 am Post subject: |
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mindmetoo,
have you ever played 2 full curling games in one day, a common occurrence furing a round robin tournament?
Trust me if you had, you would realize that curling is indeed a PHYSICAL sport, much more so than archery and shooting. Just because it looks easy to deliver a stone or to slide on ice in front of a fast-moving object hunched over rubbing the surface furiously (using virtually every muscle in your body), doesn't make it so.
A curler burns almost 600 calories during a typical game. And remember, a curling tounament usually consists of almost 10 games.
So technically, the medals awarded for curling are arguably amongst the most caloie-intensive awarded. (what other medal requires 6,000 spent calories during an event?) |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:10 am Post subject: |
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peppermint wrote: |
Bulsajo wrote: |
Watch de oice dere, bye. |
that's h'ice to you, bye! |
Obviously my co-workers have been too long gone from the rock...  |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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sundubuman wrote: |
mindmetoo,
have you ever played 2 full curling games in one day, a common occurrence furing a round robin tournament? |
Hey I'm not arguing against curling. I'm arguing against the notion the Olympics is about "games" and the addition of decidedly non-sporting events to the Olympics.
If curling goes, then I guess you should pull archery and target shooting. They aren't really sports in an athletic sense and at least curling has people moving up and down the ice. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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then you might as well get rid of basketball, handball, water polo, and hockey as well. But the problem is people actually like to watch these events at the olympics- not so sure about archery and luge, but curling has dramatically increased in viewershio over the last 3 Olympics and come Vancouver, I predict it will be the most watched. And that means money.
Don't try this at home-
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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sundubuman wrote: |
then you might as well get rid of basketball, handball, water polo, and hockey as well. But the problem is people actually like to watch these events at the olympics- not so sure about archery and luge, but curling has dramatically increased in viewershio over the last 3 Olympics and come Vancouver, I predict it will be the most watched. And that means money.
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Well, basketball, water polo, and hockey are real actual sports, not tests of eye-hand coordination like archery or target shooting. If curling didn't have sweepers I might argue it's on par with shuffle board. |
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ifa79
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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You're right, I'm wrong- I just looked up "sport" and "game" in the Oxford dictionary and found out that the 5th definition of "game" is listed as "games" which means "a meeting for sporting contests" which is where the Olympics obviosly got their title.
Still, since a "sport" is "an activity involving physical effort and skill" in competition we would have to find out where to draw the line. This line could never be agreed upon because there is no totally accurate way of measuring.
There are still a lot of sports and games that are not in the Olympics right now, but are recognized by the IOC because they have International Federations and they try to prohibit doping. From what I skimmed of the Charter, the IOC is more concerned with sports being played in enough countries and continents, than with the physical exertion or a sport.
Here are the recognized sports taken from the IOC website. There are definetly a few non-sports here:
RECOGNISED SPORTS LIST
Air sports
Netball
Bandy
Orienteering
Billiard Sports
Pelote Basque
Boules
Polo
Bowling
Powerboating
Bridge
Racquetball
Chess
Roller Sports
DanceSport
Rugby
Golf
Squash
Karate
Surfing
Korfball
Sumo
Life Saving
Tug of War
Motorcycle Racing
Underwater Sports
Mountaineering and Climbing
Water Skiing
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SarcasmKills

Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Curling is a game... any game where drinking is encouraged during game play is a game, like bowling, not a sport... Curling is more strategy than exertion as well so like chess, it is rightfully considered to be a game, not a sport...
And yes I consider beer-league baseball to be a game rather than a sport.. |
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numazawa

Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: The Concrete Barnyard
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:32 am Post subject: |
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Who wants us to save our manhood? How daft is that? It's not healthy, and it can even cause discomfort if you hold out too long. Nah, just let it out somehow, you'll feel better for it. What're you saving if for anyway -- marriage? Gaaawd, that's so 1950s! |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:19 am Post subject: |
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SarcasmKills wrote: |
Curling is a game... any game where drinking is encouraged during game play is a game, like bowling, not a sport... Curling is more strategy than exertion as well so like chess, it is rightfully considered to be a game, not a sport...
And yes I consider beer-league baseball to be a game rather than a sport.. |
You are obviously not a curler. Curlers drink AFTER the game. To drink before it would be to invite a concussion.
but I think it's flattering that you think curlers can drink, and slide 43 pound stones on ice, balancing their bodies on one foot and an arm/broom........and move their bodies in front of said stones while leaning over ON ICE, sliding, sweeping, sweating...
while drunk. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:30 am Post subject: |
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let's start with the basics....
delivery.
starts in the hack, ends up maybe 10 meters away. Name any throwing, heaving whatever game sport where the thrower ends up 10 meters from where the throw began. (ok, maybe javelin)
And then remember this "throw" is on ice, crouched down and sliding on one foot. (there is much debate as to rather the rock should actually be lifted up on the backswing before delivery, as opposed to just bringing it back and pushing it with the force of the body. I was taught to lift and swing it backwards)
and many top curlers are capable of delivering their stones and follow them (for visual and strategic reasons) for another 10 meters or so, all the while crouched in a prone position........
bowling, shuffleboard it ain't.
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:34 am Post subject: |
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here's a Japanese curler, delivering her stone, over 10 meters from where she started handling the 20 kg. object.
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SarcasmKills

Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:36 am Post subject: |
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sundubuman wrote: |
SarcasmKills wrote: |
Curling is a game... any game where drinking is encouraged during game play is a game, like bowling, not a sport... Curling is more strategy than exertion as well so like chess, it is rightfully considered to be a game, not a sport...
And yes I consider beer-league baseball to be a game rather than a sport.. |
You are obviously not a curler. Curlers drink AFTER the game. To drink before it would be to invite a concussion.
but I think it's flattering that you think curlers can drink, and slide 43 pound stones on ice, balancing their bodies on one foot and an arm/broom........and move their bodies in front of said stones while leaning over ON ICE, sliding, sweeping, sweating...
while drunk. |
I have curled, and I enjoy it BTW, but it's basically bowling on ice except that you need a couple buddies to help the rock along.. strategy to the game definitely.. but a sport it is not. |
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