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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:42 am Post subject: |
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Who's arguing?
Words have different meanings. Misunderstandings happen. Sometimes wars are fought over such trivial things.
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: |
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The European students, in particualr, seemed so far ahead of the curve on understanding international relations. They'd just sort of smile knowingly as we talked about the "good" the US had done. They knew it was pointless to discuss it because we, the Americans, had never been taught any of the real history behind the history. The Spanish-American War? All we ever knew was, "Remember the Maine!"
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In my experience, Europeans' greater understanding of international relations is largely confined to being more aware than Americans are of America's wrongdoings. Which is kinda like the mafia being more aware of all the horrible things that the Hells Angels do. |
If you've got nothing to say, why not just say that? |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
Who's arguing?
Words have different meanings. |
I have to say I'm relieved to see that you weren't actually going to try and argue that military actions are totally unrelated to economic and political polices.
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On the other hand
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Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:03 am Post subject: |
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EFLTrainer wrote:
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On the other hand wrote:
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The European students, in particualr, seemed so far ahead of the curve on understanding international relations. They'd just sort of smile knowingly as we talked about the "good" the US had done. They knew it was pointless to discuss it because we, the Americans, had never been taught any of the real history behind the history. The Spanish-American War? All we ever knew was, "Remember the Maine!"
In my experience, Europeans' greater understanding of international relations is largely confined to being more aware than Americans are of America's wrongdoings. Which is kinda like the mafia being more aware of all the horrible things that the Hells Angels do.
If you've got nothing to say, why not just say that?
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Yeah, sorry I didn't hit the lofty empirical heights that you achieved with your hard-hitting anecdotal evidence about a few Europeans who smirked at you during a high-school exchange program. I mean, you've got a veritable Ph.D thesis with that one! |
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Gopher
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote:
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The European students, in particualr, seemed so far ahead of the curve on understanding international relations. They'd just sort of smile knowingly as we talked about the "good" the US had done. They knew it was pointless to discuss it because we, the Americans, had never been taught any of the real history behind the history. The Spanish-American War? All we ever knew was, "Remember the Maine!"
In my experience, Europeans' greater understanding of international relations is largely confined to being more aware than Americans are of America's wrongdoings. Which is kinda like the mafia being more aware of all the horrible things that the Hells Angels do.
If you've got nothing to say, why not just say that?
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Yeah, sorry I didn't hit the lofty empirical heights that you achieved with your hard-hitting anecdotal evidence about a few Europeans who smirked at you during a high-school exchange program. I mean, you've got a veritable Ph.D thesis with that one! |
Oh, come on. Are you actually claiming there was anything useful or insightful in your post? A sweeping generalization based on zero evidence in th form of even anecdotes, and you are attempting to insulting me? Pointing out that you had, in fact, added nothing to the conversation was a legitimate observation. No need to get snotty. |
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EFLtrainer
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Yeah, his brilliance is undeniable, isn't it? He stumbles onto and is greatly impressed by they very old "Yankee imperialism" interpretation of U.S. foreign policy -- and thinks he's had divine revelation.
But he fails to account for many things, not the least of which was that embodied by Manuel Fortuny's admission to Piero Gleijeses that "they would have overthrown us even had we grown no bananas."
Anticommunism and containment, then, and other national security-related problems, both perceived and real, drove Cold War-era U.S. foreign policy and interventions, even if there were lesser considerations at play and clearly part of the mix.
Everyone knows this except the Che Guevara "Yankee go home!" crowd, who prefer their political myths.
BLT Trainer being their most outspoken representative on this board. |
You're in need of mor straw and bailing wire. As usual, you think your *opinion* is somehow superior to everyone else's and ASSume only you consider the full geopolitical spectrum. You're an arrogant fool.
We have not addressed evey issue of the last 100 years, and it would be meaningless to do so. The issues here and today have their roots in the past, and those that are directly relevant to the issues of TODAY are worth talking about. Che Guevarra has nothing to do with Iraq or AL Queda. This is nothing more than smoke screening on you part.
Anyone with half a brain knows (some of) what was going on at the time, but how you view it is another matter. You can't handle anyone backing the Constitution of the United States, they must back the government. It is you who is lost in a sea of your own poor interpretation. And allegiance to something completely unamerican: the gov't, rather than the nation. Congratualtions. You're solidly stuck in the immovable center and helping exactly nothing to change and improve. |
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