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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Nationals have every right to buy local and protect thier own industries. |
Absolutely. There's no law, as of yet, which prevents one from being a complete moron. |
It's not being a moron to pay a little more and keep your own people employed, it's quite sensible. Obvioudly consumers feel they can afford it, so it's a good idea. |
Its a losing battle. |
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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I don't care where stuff is produced as long as it's of a reasonable quailty for the price I can afford. There's no point in propping up inefficent industries when better use of those people's time could be used on stuff that a particular country is efficent in producing.
For instance there's no point in New Zealand trying to produce cars for a small market when japan is happy for us to buy our second hand products. However Japan doesn't have much room for farming cattle so they'll take New Zealand's primary produce.
Korea is good at producing semi-conductors and cars for good prices but sucks at producing a lot of food cheaply. Why prop up an inefficent industry when the resources of the economy could be directed towards an efficent area or developing new ones?
And just out of interest isn't a tad hypocritcal of a western english teacher in korea to be complaining about globalisation when that very process is critical to giving you employment here in korea? You were freely able to move to a different country to work (the globalisation of labour) and the reason there are so many jobs is because korea wishes to be more comptetitive in the global market place. |
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i can do
Joined: 10 May 2006
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Perhaps I lack a discerning palate, but Calrose rice tastes the same to me as Korean rice does. I ate it almost everyday when I lived at home. This issue is not about the taste. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 1:28 am Post subject: |
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I don't care where stuff is produced as long as it's of a reasonable quailty for the price I can afford. There's no point in propping up inefficent industries when better use of those people's time could be used on stuff that a particular country is efficent in producing.
For instance there's no point in New Zealand trying to produce cars for a small market when japan is happy for us to buy our second hand products. However Japan doesn't have much room for farming cattle so they'll take New Zealand's primary produce.
Korea is good at producing semi-conductors and cars for good prices but sucks at producing a lot of food cheaply. Why prop up an inefficent industry when the resources of the economy could be directed towards an efficent area or developing new ones?
And just out of interest isn't a tad hypocritcal of a western english teacher in korea to be complaining about globalisation when that very process is critical to giving you employment here in korea? You were freely able to move to a different country to work (the globalisation of labour) and the reason there are so many jobs is because korea wishes to be more comptetitive in the global market place. |
No its not. You are missing the point. MY job doesnt take any jobs away from Koreans. Koreans cannot possibly fill the need for native English speakers. OTOH American rice is a direct threat to domestic rice production. Why prop it up? Because many people depend on it to earna living. Tell me how increased production of semicoductors, cars or shops would help rice farmers. It wouldnt. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| crazylemongirl wrote: |
Korea is good at producing semi-conductors and cars for good prices but sucks at producing a lot of food cheaply. Why prop up an inefficent industry when the resources of the economy could be directed towards an efficent area or developing new ones?
And just out of interest isn't a tad hypocritcal of a western english teacher in korea to be complaining about globalisation when that very process is critical to giving you employment here in korea? You were freely able to move to a different country to work (the globalisation of labour) and the reason there are so many jobs is because korea wishes to be more comptetitive in the global market place. |
Here are my answers for the two paragraphs above.
1) Farming is a relatively low skilled labour job. Not everybody in Korea has the smarts to design cars and semi-conductors. If you take a look around, there are sooooo many restaurants in Korea. I am told that has to do with keeping the large unskilled labour force employed. They need to keep rice farming to keep unskilled people employed or wages will drop towards Chinese levels.
2) There's nothing wrong with globalization, but there needs to be some protected industries just in case Korea can't compete. Every country has a few protected industries. There's no such thing as complete free trade. That would be suicidal for most countries. |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 1:42 am Post subject: |
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*beep* protectionism right up the ass. It would be cheaper for society if the government pays the farmers to grow nothing and to import rice.
It would have been equally stupid to subsidize blacksmiths. Society changes and I think the most a government should do is to pay for training during a transition period (although, if the government hadn't interfered in the first place the transition period would have happened gradually as it did with blacksmiths). |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 3:15 am Post subject: |
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Korean rice is BLANDER THAN BLAND!!!!!
Geez... I love going to Hong Kong where my mum buys Thai rice. Crikey, THAT'S REAL RICE!!!!
This thing they call rice here is shit. |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 3:38 am Post subject: |
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Global trade issues aside, I do agree 100% TZ.
Thai rice, Basmati, any long grain rice ..... but here "Would you like another slice of rice?"
But, if Korean rice is the only rice you have tried then it is the best rice in the world!! |
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mack the knife

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: standing right behind you...
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| It's not being a moron to pay a little more and keep your own people employed, it's quite sensible. |
You would think so, but it doesn't work that way. Here's the breakdown:
Let's say that profits for U.S. corporation "X" have been falling, or have stagnated (which equals falling over the long run, due to inflation). To increase profits they hand a bunch of guys and gals (who may or may not deserve it) the pink slip, or they retrain them for other jobs within the corporation whilst simultaneously hiring a fnord of Indians who'll be happy to do double the workload for 1/3 the price. Almost magically, we're realizing profits again!
Now, the CEO of corporation "X" is no dummy. She turns around and invests those profits in the business and whoah-ho! In a year or so profits have increased significantly! And what's even more magical, do to the fact that corporation "X" has expanded somewhat, they have actually created more jobs than were "stolen" by those "rag heads" in the first place! In the U.S.! |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| Almost all rice is 'bland', with the possible exception of Thai 'fragrant rice'. There was a piece in today's Korea Herald on this topic. Check it out; page 9: "Korean farmers should diversify into horticulture, exports: advisor. Written by a Dutch agricultural expert, and the Dutch clearly know a thing or two about this field. It suggests that if Korean farmers would consider growing other high-value crops such as paprika, eggplant, zucchini, tomatoes, and flowers, they could even create an export market with high-population countries like Japan and Korea nearby. That seems like the way to go. Growing rice in this land is a no-win. It remains to be seen whether Korean farmers have enough imagination to make the inevitable change. |
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shortskirt_longjacket

Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Location: fitz and ernie are my raison d'etre
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Twice now it's come up in this thread.
There's nothing wrong with genetically-engineered food. |
Preach it, brother.
It's not like changing the DNA of a plant to make it sweeter/heartier/whatever is the same thing as pesticides. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:26 am Post subject: |
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but why eat it if you don't have to?
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Does the term 'Luddite' mean anything to you? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| Nationals have every right to buy local and protect thier own industries. |
Of course. The British unions running the coal mines thought that way too. Protect our industry. The Big Three auto makers in America thought that way too. Americans will always buy American cars and not those cheap Japanese beer cans. Right?
I'm of the opinion the best choice a consumer can make in a global market is buying the best product for the best price. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 6:04 am Post subject: |
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but why eat it if you don't have to?
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Does the term 'Luddite' mean anything to you? |
Does the term 'playing god' mean anything to you?
Seriously, the issue is about more than just the health of the consumer. There are major problems concerning bio-diversity, the ecology, not to mention economic and political changes. To suggest that we should hand Monsanto a blank check is ridiculous. There are a lot of good things about capitalism, but taking into account secondary costs, and the effects on the public, is not one of them. |
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 6:10 am Post subject: |
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