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[pegpig]

[poet13]

no, dont speak much korean, but, "just like back in the west"....i think the officer would need to see a credible threat to proceed with an arrest. Really now, do you think the police go around arresting people simply because another person says they said something bad to them?

[TheUrbanMyth]

[sadsac]

It is actually illegal for teachers to hit children. The law has been in force for the past two years, but is totally disregarded by the offices of education throughout Korea. Parnts are aware of this practice and will generally further punish their children as well because the teacher punished them. They would never believe that the punishment was unwarrnted. A very sad indictment on Korean education. Many teachers are just bullies.

[TheUrbanMyth]

[pegpig]

[poet13]

TUM.....
So what you're saying is that if someone annoys me, I can just go to the police, tell them that person said he was going to hit me, and the police will arrest him or her? uh uh. Enforcement doesnt work that way.

[Scott in Incheon]

I believe that coporal punishment may still be allowed in schools where the school and the parents' committee have an agreement. Not sure, but I think I read this in some article about recent student violence.

[TheUrbanMyth]

[poet13]

Yes, of course you can go to the police if someone threatens you, but you're jumping two or three steps to arrest. the police would have to talk to the person who allegedly offended and determine if in fact the offense occurred. Then they have to determine the circumstances surrounding the offense. Two guys talking over beer? Sounds like a couple of drunks talking smack....
simply claiming to have been wronged isnt going to make the police go around arresting people... thats ridiculous.

enough. this is silly, and definitely off-topic. I'm done with it.

[Yu_Bum_suk]

The violence begets violence thing makes sense in theory, but in my observation it's been the complete opposite and the option of corporal punishment seems to keep things under control. At my old hogwan where discipline was sporatic and inconsistant at best, and where I knew the director didn't want corporal punishment used because it might create the impression that something was wrong (not that he cared one bit about the kids), there were fights all the time. The bullies ruled the roost. Little elementary monsters would go at it arms swinging; kids would bite each other; I even saw a fifth-grade girl try to take out a boy with a big, heavy chain of keys.

In ten months at my current school I had one incident with two grade one middle school students that was quickly stopped, but otherwise it's been completely violence-free - completely. There appears to be no youth violence whatsoever in my town and I know from talking to the teachers at other schools that they all use the stick. I've been swarmed by high school boys many times, and whereas back home, where I'd be wondering how many of them I could take on, here I'm just wondering how I'm going to be able politely to brush a load of over-curious kids off.

If you compare that to my province in Canada, where some women are still going on trial for beating unconcious and then drowning another girl nine years ago when they were 14, it creates a rather different perspective.

[Yu_Bum_suk]

[NAVFC]

I've been lurking on this forum for awhile but I had to chime in on this one. I strongly disagree with corporal punishment.
First off, to the guy making the retorical comment about "like the west and having bullies" Bullies have been around in some form or another since the beginning of civilization. Even in the US when CP was still used in schools there was still bullying and drugs and things of this nature. All it takes is to ask one parents aunts and uncles and grandparents to confirm this.
You think that the day they outlawed CP in US schools all the bullies just set loose upon their prey?
I havent seen anyone mention this, but everyone seems too focused on the discipline as what influences a child when theres another big chunk that needs to be itemized: environment around them. The reason the world has taken a downturn isn't because kids dont get the crap whipped out of them, it's the environment, It's the things going on.
New environment always leads to new trouble. Thanks to modern global communications, tv etc children are exposed to lots of negatives influences. From media such as music and tv that glorifies violence, to the latest trends some of them not so good. It's a much different world then say it was in the 40s. People seem to have this image as those times in US schools when no one did anything wrong and all was happy la la land because people new theyd get hit.
But it wasn't things happened.
Another thing that has happened..the media has grown significantly and now has global capability..something happens anywhere in the world turn on the tv and you can see anhything , even negative things.
How many kids do you seee today in the US wearing their pants so low you can see their undies swearing gold chains and speaking english like a idiot? Why? Because some idiot who talks to much and glorifies negative things told them it's cool! Today more then ever kids have so many messages being thrown at them, so many more influences and peer pressures that the older generation didn't, and alot of It negative? But do the corporations who do it care?No. They just wan't to make money. The world is at a new age, not a good one but there anyway and a new way is needed. Over authoritarianism will only push children away now, as these same cool pop icons or what have you seem to always convey authority as the enemy as well.
So to say "The world is so bad because kid's aren;t getting whupped" is a farse. Their are nations as a whole that have illegalized corporal punishment, even by the child's parents, but they seem to do better the the US.
It's like a equation. that needs to be balanced.
1950s world + wacking = mostly good kids
well it isn't the 1950s anymore, the equation must be balanced.
People these days are so eager for the quick fix. This is a new world, a world of greed violence and war, a harsh world to raise a child in.

[Hater Depot]

Corporal punishment is illegal, and I've heard from Korean teachers that many schools in Seoul don't use it anymore. You may have also noticed that the closer you go to Seoul, the less likely you are to see schools enforcing the (also illegal) hair regulations as well.

[TheUrbanMyth]