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death from above
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: in your head
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| That's what it's all about. |
that's what pro-wrestling is all about. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:34 am Post subject: |
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5) Can you actually sit through an entire 90 minutes? I've never been able to. Can watch the majority of a World Cup game, but still have to change the channel every 10-15 minutes.
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In fairness, I do know what you mean. And I say that as an almost life-long fan of the game.
Often, I'll switch on some soccer and think "Jesus, this fookin sucks!". I surprise myself how often I do that.
But it's perhaps like searching through raw sewage for a sandwich. For 10 games of pure dross at the World Cup, you'll get an England v Argentina (1998), a Brazil v Holland (1998), a Romania v Argentina (1994), a Korea v Italy (2002) and God knows how many else. You've gotta take the rough with the smooth and you've probably gotta be a fan in the first place to do that, and usually one becomes a fan in childhood when you're vulnerable to patriotic emotions when watching your city's team or your country. If you haven't had that, or come from a country with no decent teams because soccer isn't popular, you may struggle to truly get into it.
What about Heavy Metal music? Most of it is absolute boll0cks! But some is amongst the best music ever written. Look at Tennis - often mundane, average at best, yet watching Pete Sampras or Roger Federer vs Leyton Hewitt is outstanding entertainment.
The WC - because it's so big now (has 32 teams, including loads of sh1te teams like Iran, T and T) it takes a while to get going and you'll see a lot of dross. But if you stick with it you'll see some very exciting action. If it's instant results, immediate and constant entertainment you want, watch Basketball where the game will end up 98-82.
I disagree with a previous poster who said a problem with soccer is that if a team goes 2-0 up, it's pretty much game over as the other team will find it too difficult to get back. That's the kind of opinion I'd expect from someone who hasn't really got a clue. If a team is 2-0 up and the team gets a goal to make it 2-1 - a moment of genius, a crap ref decision, a foul, a mistake, a wildly lucky deflection, anything can happen as it's a spontaneous and difficult environment - that makes it go from 2-0 "comfort, let's put our feet up and have a cup of tea" to "oh *beep*, that totally changes it". It's very, very common. Of course, sometimes the team 2-0 up will put 10 men in defence and win 2-0 with not a lot else happening or go on to win 4 or 5-0. |
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inspector gadget
Joined: 11 Apr 2003
Location: jeollanam-do in the boonies
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:42 am Post subject: |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| btw, my favorite World Cup was USA '94. That was a high-quality, absolutely outstanding WC and my country didn't even qualify for it. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Jinju,
Your knowledge about the skill of nhlers is ridiculous to say the least, humerous in fact. If you searched all NHL rosters this past year and knew the game, you would find maybe one player per team that could be classified as a goon. Having said that the goons of years ago are now long gone.
Goons of today have more hockey talent than you could ever dream of.
The past NHL season had a total of 475 fights in 1230 games or 73, 800 minutes of play.
Now hockey ia a high flying, high intensity game like no other on the planet where grown men strap sharp blades on their feet and go at it with full body contact. fighting has been a part of the game since inception and like it or not it still plays a minor role and I for one hope it never totally disappears.
I think it is completely reasonable to think that 475 times in 73,800 minutes of game time some men drop the gloves and solve things like real men.
Soccer was the topic of the OP and I wish these men would take a little more pride in how they solve their problems. I am not suggesting fighting, although that would entertaining but what they do is a shame.
soccer players that dive and writhe in pain on the field for moments until they see the ref is not going to call a foul and then get up and run around as if they were jesus walking on water, now there is a problem with sport, I wish that FIFA and major soccer leagues around the world would immediatly dismiss that player from the game with a red card, no questions asked just get off the field you p***y.
After one season with a rule like that soccer would actually become a more exciting sport to watch and the whimp soccer players would be eliminated and be on the way to holleywood where they belong.
Have you ever played hockey at a high level???? I think not, I have, several of my friends play in the nhl, about a dozen in other "fringe leagues" as you say. I wish you wouldn't shoot your mouth off about things you pretend to know about regardless of the subject. |
We can choose to disagree. To me hockey is one of the least skill involving sports around. Its crapola. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:17 am Post subject: |
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We can choose to disagree. To me hockey is one of the least skill involving sports around. Its crapola. |
You took too much acid as a teenager. Clearly Jinu-land is a different world entirely from the one we are living on... |
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inspector gadget
Joined: 11 Apr 2003
Location: jeollanam-do in the boonies
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:32 am Post subject: |
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Jinju.
So you don't think it takes skill skating on a sheet of ice at 25+ km per hour stickhandling a puck while five other players are chasing you on a surface that is half the size or a soccer field.
I guess that it takes more skill pushing a ball around on a grass field that is twice as big.
I believe both sports have great athletes but don't tell me that hockey is as you put it......
"one of least skill involving sports around. Its crapola."
I would be interested in knowing what sports you know of that combine the combination of strentgh, balance, speed, agility, split second thinking, accuracy and desire of a world class hockey player?
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| inspector gadget wrote: |
Jinju.
1. So you don't think it takes skill skating on a sheet of ice at 25+ km per our stickhandling a puck while five other players are chasing you on a surface that is half the size or a soccer field.
2. I would be interested in knowing what sports you know of that combine the combination of strentgh, balance, speed, agility, split second thinking, accuracy and desire of a world class hockey player?
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1. Skating is pathetic.
2. I respect curlers more. |
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inspector gadget
Joined: 11 Apr 2003
Location: jeollanam-do in the boonies
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Spinoza,
The problem with diving in soccer is that there is no penalty whatsoever, ohhhh no I got a yellow card. Is there a consequence, no! the ref writes your number on a paper. The offending team is not pennalized, there is no advantage gained by the other team.
That is the problem, the officials are limited as to what they can do to these P*ss**s that roll arouond on the ground after being tapped on the leg.
Change the rules, its obvious to any soccer fan on the planet that if you can dive you can be effective, yet the rules don't change. Why???
The players have changed, they have become masters at trying to decieve officials. Its time that the governing body of soccer tweak the rules to get these "clowns" off the pitch.
Soccer will continue to have this problem until they allow officials to really penalize players for doing such a cowardess and unsportsmanlike act. |
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JLarter
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:51 am Post subject: |
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A yellow card is a penalty. A second yellow card will see you sent off. Collecting a number of yellow cards in a competition will see you suspended. A yellow card is issued as a warning.
If you want to see some real diving, watch the Argentinian's. You can't go anywhere near those guys without them falling to the ground. |
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inspector gadget
Joined: 11 Apr 2003
Location: jeollanam-do in the boonies
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:53 am Post subject: |
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Jinju,
have you ever skated??? maybe its because you don't have the coordination to do such an activity.
As far as curlers go, ya I have a lot of respect for them to they have a unique skill that is very difficult to master.
Its obvious that you don't know what your talking about if you say that skating is pathetic. |
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inspector gadget
Joined: 11 Apr 2003
Location: jeollanam-do in the boonies
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:08 am Post subject: |
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I understand that recieving a yellow card is a penalty in a sense however when it comes to diving it is not enough of a deterant.
I think soccer would just be a much better game if players wouldn't be able to flop and recieve so much as a slap on the wrist.
What advantage does that give to the other team????? The offending player has to stop being an actor, whoooooooo big penalty....., why not play shorthanded, why not eject the player altogether, why not give the other team a penalty kick..
With the rule as it is you are telling players that you have a get out of jail free card to decieve the official, but oh no don't dare try it twice.
Sport is about skill, desire, determination and not about flopping to try and fool a ref. |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Players do get penalized in soccer for diving. It happens very frequently because diving happens very frequently. Sadly, sometimes the ref will penalize a player when he's been genuinely fouled.
What you've got to realize is this. Diving and cheating, or 'simulation' if that term's still going, is a problem in the game that all fans acknowledge and, as far as I'm aware, condemn....unless of course their team profits from it. There's the thing. Soccer is all about passion for your team/country. If Rooney blatantly dives and wins a penalty...fantastic! If the other team's striker does it, he's a cheating, scumbag tw*t. Soccer is all about winning at all costs - preferably fairly so the other team's supporters can't put you down, but unfairly in necessary. Also, as I successfully argued in the other thread, successfully fooling the referee is a skill. Could you dive convincingly for a penalty and make the ref seriously think you were fouled? No, it's very difficult. Some players try it and look like total idiots and get booked. Some players can do it time after time and - frankly - more power to them. Unless it's against England or Manchester United!  In fooling the ref, they've done something highly skillful AND got something for their team and their adoring fans. That's what it's all about. |
Three pages and someone finally tried to answer one of my questions.. Cheers Spinoza! |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| Boys, don't feed the JINJU! This guy is honestly hitting rock bottom. Patchy is getting some serious competition for "biggest tool" on the board. And to think, Jinju actually once tried to start a thread asking Patchy to be banned from here. That's irony. (or maybe it isn't "irony". My grasp of the English language is quite poor) |
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Bo Peabody
Joined: 25 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Here's the thing about the low scoring nature of soccer. Think about the free market, what happens when something gets scarce? That's right, the difficulty and rarity of soccer goals makes them a much more extatic and cathartic event when they do happen...
So it's a bit like sex really. It seems americans like to do it at frantic speeds for a few seconds, fizzle out, have a wee breather, then try again and see if it feels any better than the last time. Whereas Europeans and South Americans like a long slow grinding build up, probing here, pulling back, probing there, going across field, spreading the defence wide, sending it deep, and then finishing with a stuning display of skill, passion, and finesse... |
Well, sticking with that convincing sex anaolgy  , I guess the Trinidad and Tobago vs. Sweden was a like a randy guy with his Catholic girlfriend: One was excited that no scoring took place and one was thoroughly frustrated. Oh, and how about the England match? I believe there is a word for "finishing with a stunning display of skill, passion and finesse" on yourself. |
Nothing wrong with a little teasing and delayed satisfaction, makes it so much better when you finally get release. And nothing wrong with finishing yourself off ( dont even dream of telling you havent ) as long as its explosive!
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 Satori and flakfizer nailed it on the *beep*ing head. Nicely done! |
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