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stevie rotten
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this is a misleading question. saddam couldn't have killed anyone without the full support of a previous incarnation (although a lot of the same characters made a second appearance) of the DC coalition.
or do we not remember?
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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this is a misleading question. saddam couldn't have killed anyone without the full support of a previous incarnation (although a lot of the same characters made a second appearance) of the DC coalition.
or do we not remember? |
He could not have killed anyone?
France , Russia and China gave Saddam far more stuff than the US ever did.
Anyway
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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"Who killed more" is a disgusting question. That is not the moral litmus test. Iraq was better off under Saddam than it is now because the 3 sects were kept away from each others throats. The idea that the US isn't totally guilty for this nonsense simply because she hasn't caused (which is way debatable) as much death as the dude she replaced is not exactly holding the country up to a mature standard of responsibility.
If they were really serious about stopping this killing (68 dead in bombs on Friday in Baghdad) the USA would double her forces on the ground and make meaningful attempts at bringing the world into the fold. Bush needs to step up, say he fuc.ked up, apologize and beg the world for substantial help in securing the safety of the innocent civilians in that poor country. And the Bushies don't do this because their pride is more important than the scores of dead people in Iraq. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
"Who killed more" is a disgusting question. That is not the moral litmus test. Iraq was better off under Saddam than it is now because the 3 sects were kept away from each others throats. The idea that the US isn't totally guilty for this nonsense simply because she hasn't caused (which is way debatable) as much death as the dude she replaced is not exactly holding the country up to a mature standard of responsibility.
If they were really serious about stopping this killing (68 dead in bombs on Friday in Baghdad) the USA would double her forces on the ground and make meaningful attempts at bringing the world into the fold. Bush needs to step up, say he fuc.ked up, apologize and beg the world for substantial help in securing the safety of the innocent civilians in that poor country. And the Bushies don't do this because their pride is more important than the scores of dead people in Iraq. |
But what would Saddam do if we were allowed to go free? Not only that Saddam was not only a threat to Iraqis.
Furthermore most of the deaths could be avoided if Iraqis were to submit to Al Qaeda's or Bathist , or even Khomenist rule. Is anyone wrong for not giving in?
If we follow you are argument we could say that the lives of many Koreans would have been saved had the US not got involved in the Korean war. I mean North Korea conquers the South and then it is the end of it. Unless one acknowledges that the cold war was defensive by the US. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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I don't know if it is the beer or your post, but my head now hurts.
Joo. If all we have left of this war is "we killed less than Saddam", then it is 100% fully completely lost. Ignore for a moment that Saddam was contained, and that he could have been eliminated with a 30cent bullet and half-ways competent marksman, the idea that we should pretend that this whole adventure in corporate welfare hasn't been among this biggest foreign policy disasters in American history is utter nonsense.
America lost. There has been ethnic cleansing and Iran is the party coming out much stronger. It is over. Time to stop worrying about legacy and move towards reconciliation with the rest of the world. Bush needs to apologize and ask for help. Serious help. Or that poor country has a future much worse than anything Saddam would have given it. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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NEWSFLASH !!!
Illegal, unconstitutional & misguided Governor Bush (NEO-CON NAZI) policy has unleashed a major blood-bath. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:49 am Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
I don't know if it is the beer or your post, but my head now hurts.
Joo. If all we have left of this war is "we killed less than Saddam", then it is 100% fully completely lost. Ignore for a moment that Saddam was contained, and that he could have been eliminated with a 30cent bullet and half-ways competent marksman, the idea that we should pretend that this whole adventure in corporate welfare hasn't been among this biggest foreign policy disasters in American history is utter nonsense.
America lost. There has been ethnic cleansing and Iran is the party coming out much stronger. It is over. Time to stop worrying about legacy and move towards reconciliation with the rest of the world. Bush needs to apologize and ask for help. Serious help. Or that poor country has a future much worse than anything Saddam would have given it. |
Taking down Saddam saved lives.
Saddam had a great security service the US could not get rid of Castro for 50 years what makes you think could get rid of him. Or any mideast dictator?
Saddam could not be contained over the long run since his sons where coming up next more importantly the US could not contain Saddam and pressure Saudi Arabia on terror.
It is not we killed less than Saddam.The deaths have been caused by Al Qaeda , and the Bathists and the Khomeni followers . That is cause they didn't get their way in Iraq. That is what they do when they don't get their way cause it what they are.
Iran is another problem but there are ways to deal with them to. Alternative energy and the insurance policy.
PROJECT THOR= An insurance policy
The war on terror is like the cold war and it will require nearly a similar effort.
The problem isn't the US the problem is that the Bathists , Khomeni followers and the Al Qaedists wouldn't give their war. They don't have any right to it.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:50 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
NEWSFLASH !!!
Illegal, unconstitutional & misguided Governor Bush (NEO-CON NAZI) policy has unleashed a major blood-bath. |
Newsflash Igothisguitar is a Neo Nazi who supports any mass killer who is against the US.
But that isn't news. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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