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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:02 am Post subject:

nasigoreng wrote:

I've watched perhaps 15 pornographic movies in my whole life. 1/3 from the late 80's, 1/3 made the 90's, and 1/3 made in the last 10 years.

The more recent pictures are so much more extreme; it more like a human anatomy lesson. This is the narcotic effect of pornography; there is the need to go further and further. For example:

* Shaving the pubic hair to give the impression of pre-pubescence.
* Gang bang 'competitions'
* vaginal penetration has become mundane.
* intercourse between 2 has become mundane.
* and then there's bukake http://www2.b3ta.com/bukkake/

Seriously, did you even think before posting those?
1) Shaving is becomin popular for a lot of reasons, I won't post them though.
2) Gang bangs have been around for quite awhile in the porn industry and society. So have orgies.
3) Really? This coming from Mr. I have seen a total of 15.
4) Really again? Again this coming from Mr. I have seen a total of 15. Most porn is still one on one
5) There are also crazy sects of Christians. Should we judge them all by the few extreme cases?

Just to sum up, you have seen 15 movies. I don't need to say much more than that.

nasigoreng

Joined: 14 May 2004

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:26 am Post subject:

laogaiguk wrote:

1) Shaving is becomin popular for a lot of reasons, I won't post them though.

why not? we're all adults. Please tell me or i will be forced to remain in ignorance and continue believing young emaciated girls with shaved p***ies are simulating a "sex with pre-pubescent girl" fantasy.

Is shaving done to give us a better view of the labia minor and clitoris? That's about as erotic as a car crash autopsy.

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Just to sum up, you have seen 15 movies. I don't need to say much more than that.

They're all the same to me (girl goes down on guy. position1, position 2, position3, then paint her face)

You obviously consider yourself a learned person on this subject, how many have you seen? How many films does one have to see in order to have a valid opinion?

Have you noticed any differences or trends between pornographic movies in this decade and the previous decades? What i see is the need to "push the envelope" harder and harder. To try and surpass the last big seller; to be more extreme. For example annabel chong (sp?) screwed like 200 guys. Then houston tried to top that and screwed 500. Then she had to get an operation to make her vagina tight again....this whole scene is just so immature & pointless.

I was actually introduced to pornography by a friend in college 10 years my senior. Now when i met this guy, he was obsessed with dating strippers. 10 years later, i hear this guy hasn't changed a bit: he can't have a real relationship with a real girl... he's sexually dependent on pornography and fake sluts. In fact i was told he's trying to become a porn film director.

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But you yourself said you use your own imagination, and seem to imply that it's more of a turn on than porn. What if the men around the pool had been using THEIR own imaginations to fantasize about sex, prior to watching someone's "hot Korean wife" go for a swim?

that's a great point. all i can say is that i see no reason for the mormon owners of that hotel chain to encourage addiction to pornography just because it's a money maker. I don't have a knee-jerk repulsion to pornography- i don't think it should be banned. I just want it kept away so kids can't get to it via pay-per-view movies, internet, or cassette tapes. When i grew up pornography was hidden. Now it's more obvious. It's scary for me to think about the effects hard-core pornography will have on children under age 18, who are growing up with this stuff spoonfed to them.

Are any girls posting on this thread? It would be interesting to get the female perspective.

laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:55 am Post subject:

EDIT,
Before starting, I am against taking away freedoms that do not harm others. Pornography has not only not been linked to harmful actions, but has been shown to produce the opposite. If someone showed me those studies are wrong, I would change my opinion. There is nothing you can say nasigoreng outside of showing it is harmful that will change my mind about any topic when it comes to banning or taking freedom away.

nasigoreng wrote:

laogaiguk wrote:

1) Shaving is becomin popular for a lot of reasons, I won't post them though.

This site is moderated.

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Just to sum up, you have seen 15 movies. I don't need to say much more than that.

More than 15 over a period of 15 years, I don't need to explain that!

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Have you noticed any differences or trends between pornographic movies in this decade and the previous decades? What i see is the need to "push the envelope" harder and harder. To try and surpass the last big seller; to be more extreme. For example annabel chong (sp?) screwed like 200 guys. Then houston tried to top that and screwed 500. Then she had to get an operation to make her vagina tight again....this whole scene is just so immature & pointless.

Exceptions. Already discussed

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I was actually introduced to pornography by a friend in college 10 years my senior. Now when i met this guy, he was obsessed with dating strippers. 10 years later, i hear this guy hasn't changed a bit: he can't have a real relationship with a real girl... he's sexually dependent on pornography and fake sluts. In fact i was told he's trying to become a porn film director.

I've seen a lot worse with beer. I guess banning beer in hotels would be good too. Don't give me one guy you knew. He's an exception, as the studies I provided up top show.

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No hotel has to show them. If a mormon hotel doesn't want to, I sure as hell have no beef with that. It's made so kids can't just get at it. It would be much easier for a kid to just get a hotel room with an internet connection for porn.

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Are any girls posting on this thread? It would be interesting to get the female perspective.

fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:02 am Post subject:

[quote="mindmetoo"]

fiveeagles wrote:

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mindmetoo wrote:

fiveeagles wrote:

Like I have said a few times, just because people say they are Christians doesn't mean they are.

Ain't that the truth. You're a wonderful example of that.

Thanks.

Why do you even bother?

Why do you even bother to hunt 'n' peck out lame platitudes that you can't bother to defend.

What are you talking about. We have done 10 round threads before. It's obvious that you don't see my point of view and don't want to? Which doesn't bother me and I would still try to reason with you if you would try to be nice once in awhile.

nasigoreng

Joined: 14 May 2004

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject:

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I've seen a lot worse with beer. I guess banning beer in hotels would be good too.

minors aren't allowed in bars. In fact, don't bars have to have a license to serve alchohol? and don't they have to be a certain distance from schools?

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Are any girls posting on this thread? It would be interesting to get the female perspective.

nasigoreng wrote:

laogaiguk wrote:

1) Shaving is becomin popular for a lot of reasons, I won't post them though.

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This site is moderated.

oh, i'm sure a smart person such as yourself could think of some clinical terms that would enable us all to learn from this experience.

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Just to sum up, you have seen 15 movies. I don't need to say much more than that.

More than 15 over a period of 15 years, I don't need to explain that!

well then let me add the 200 clips i've downloaded from the internet in the past 2 years. the average length is about 6 minutes. Thats about 20 hours (or 20 movies) plus the original 15... so about 35-40 hours of pornography i've seen. In addition to my 1-year subscription to playboymagazine, and about half a dozen other magazines.

In retrospect, i think if you've seen ~5+ porno movies you've seen it all... unless you want to get genre specific ( torture, midgets, fat girls, bestiality).

i reiterate my belief that there has been trend in this business of using younger and younger models, or dressing models up to look younger. I think it's feeding a 'sex with minors fantasy' that can't legally be fulfilled in the States, which is why sex tourism is rampant in Thailand, Cambodia, and the Philippines.

you referred to a study about japan:

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Currently, not only are visuals with pubic hair and exposed genitalia present, but available are visual depictions of hard-core sexual encounters which include bestiality, sadomasochism, necrophilia and incest; the characters involved may be adults, children or both and they can be in manga as well as in adult reading materials. There is a "Child Welfare Law" in Japan which prohibits child prostitution. However, there are no specific child pornography laws in Japan and SEM depicting minors are readily available and widely consumed. Most charges of obscenity presently are related to depictions of group or violent rape or realistic and graphic film or video depictions of sexual behaviors considered deviant and dangerous (as in Ai no corrida).

Not all cultures are the same. In some cultures (such as korea), violence agianst women is so accepted (according to a korean female friend) that police won't do anything about it and hence it's not reported (she was assaulted by her boyfiend and had stitches in her head). I might assume the same for victims of sexual abuse in Japan... but that's a stretch.

According to the study (from 1999) there is no correlation between volence against women as featured in pornography and sex crimes. But in Japan, prostitution is legal. So whenever a Japanese guy feels the urge, he can go out and have sex with a Philippina "hostess" who had no idea what she was getting into when she signed on to be a waitress, singer, or dancer in Tokyo.

Or perhaps they'll take a flight to Taiwan, Bangkok, the Philippines, and even here in Jakarta there are "Karaoke clubs" with beautiful 'hostesses' catering to Japanese businessmen

I can't prove these behavior are related. so, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

http://www.no-porn.com/test.html

The sales are apparently recorded as something other than pornography on the hotel bill. If this feature was removed, businesses would save lots of money from their employee's travel expenses, kids wouldn't be able to get away with it and we would all be happy.

mindmetoo

Joined: 02 Feb 2004

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject:

fiveeagles wrote:

You made the claim. Now back it up. Can't?

Did St. Peter beg the Romans for a teddy bear? Or did he ask them to be crucified upside down. C'mon, god boy, you're not up to it?

Last edited by mindmetoo on Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:19 pm; edited 1 time in total

laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject:

First, please show how it is harmful. Your opinion is not quite enough. If you show it to be harmful, again, I will change my opinion on the subject. IF not, I won't bother responding to your useless points devoid of anything but your opinion which, as of yet, has not been backed up by any proof.

nasigoreng wrote:

minors aren't allowed in bars. In fact, don't bars have to have a license to serve alchohol? and don't they have to be a certain distance from schools?

Neither are they allowed to watch the movies.

nasigoreng wrote:

oh, i'm sure a smart person such as yourself could think of some clinical terms that would enable us all to learn from this experience.

One, smell. Two, easier to see certain buttons. Three, just preference. Why do women shave their legs and armpits? Maybe they should stop that as it makes them look younger too. Happy, these won't matter here.

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Oh, so now it is more, eh? Why wouldn't you have just said that before? To be honest, if you have seen enough soap opera episodes, you don't really have to watch another. Same goes for romance or action movies. Most are just vanilla movies. (sarcasm)

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i reiterate my belief that there has been trend in this business of using younger and younger models, or dressing models up to look younger. I think it's feeding a 'sex with minors fantasy' that can't legally be fulfilled in the States, which is why sex tourism is rampant in Thailand, Cambodia, and the Philippines.

Since they have been using models of 18 years old for decades, they can't be getting any younger. Your links between arguments and effects are pathetically flimsy. Could you atleast try to show some sort of proof of a link unless it is just an opinion, which in my opinion, is childlike in logic.

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OOOHHH, from 1999. You don't think that is valid? Prostitution should be legal everywhere. You are just using emotion to try to divert for the argument. It is easy to get a hooker back home too.

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I can't prove these behavior are related. so, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Boy, you hit the nail on the head there. Though I have proved my side with studies while you have used only opinion and not one iota of causality and effect linking even without proof, let alone with it.

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The sales are apparently recorded as something other than pornography on the hotel bill. If this feature was removed, businesses would save lots of money from their employee's travel expenses, kids wouldn't be able to get away with it and we would all be happy.

All hotels have the ability to turn off the ability to watch them when checking in. THis isn't a hotel problem if children are watching them, but a parenting problem.

huffdaddy

Joined: 25 Nov 2005

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject:

nasigoreng wrote:

All in the name of "research," right?

huffdaddy

Joined: 25 Nov 2005

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/02/16/church.abuse/

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Draft survey: 4,450 priests accused of sex abuse
Bishop: 'Very sobering and important milestone'

A new report says more than 11,000 allegations of child abuse were tied to 4,450 priests between 1950 and 2002

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Children accused more than 4,000 priests of sexual abuse between 1950 and 2002, according to a draft survey for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

The survey, to be released February 27, found that children made more than 11,000 allegations of sexual abuse by priests. The 4,450 accused priests represent about 4 percent of the 110,000 priests who served during the 52 years covered by the study.

4%!! There should be a law against being a Catholic priest.

nasigoreng

Joined: 14 May 2004

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject:

nasigoreng wrote:

oh, i'm sure a smart person such as yourself could think of some clinical terms that would enable us all to learn from this experience.

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One, smell.

yeah, right. Like vaginas just suddently started smelling in the mid 90's. If a girl smokes tobacco her koochie is gonna stink anyway.

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Prostitution should be legal everywhere. You are just using emotion to try to divert for the argument. It is easy to get a hooker back home too.

i wouldn't know about picking up hookers back home.... never been that desperate.

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Though I have proved my side with studies while you have used only opinion and not one iota of causality and effect linking even without proof, let alone with it.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3693/is_200507/ai_n15665844/pg_1

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CAPTIVE DAUGHTERS: Conference on Pornography and International Sex Trafficking (published Off Our Backs July/August 2005)

Pornography As Trafficking Keynote Speaker

Presenter:

Catharine A. MacKinnon, Professor of Law, University of Michigan, and pioneer of the legal claim for sexual harassment as sex discrimination and, with Andrea Dworkin, the recognition of the harms of pornography as civil rights violations. She is the author of 11 books on sex equality and the law.

Main Points:

* Pornography is supply-driven. That is, the more the consumer gets of it the more of it he wants. The desensitization and addiction that is well documented puts users' sexuality under the control of pimps. (MacKinnon said, facetiously, that she has been waiting a long time for men to resent this.) This dynamic makes the pornographers pushers, which is why they give it away for free.

* Prostitution on the other hand, is demand driven in the sense that women are in prostitution because men want to use them in that way. If men want pornography because it is there, I think that prostitution is there because men want it. And pornography is a force in creating desire for prostitution.

* In its production, the pornography industry creates demand for prostitution. Because it is itself a form of prostitution and trafficking. For its business, pornography uses women in prostitution, it creates demand for women and children to be supplied, many of whom are then trafficked to fill that demand.

Hence, prostitution is entrenched in Japanese society and while some of the girls may choose to be there and enjoy being independent, a lot are poor girls from the Philippines who thought they were going to be waitresses and had no escape from being forced to become 'comfort women' .
-apparently, their attitudes toward women haven't changed in 60 years:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/975265.asp?cp1=1

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* Pornography creates demand for prostitution and also, trafficking, through its consumption. (see above) Assuming pornography is fundamentally an experience of bought sex, it stimulates a demand for buying women and children in the flesh, in the same way it stimulates the viewer to act out on other women, girls and boys what has been consumed through the pornography. As observed by one woman in the anti-pornography civil rights ordinance hearings that Andrea Dworkin and MacKinnon organized for the Minneapolis City Council, pornography is used to train and season young girls to prostitution, how men would bring photographs of women in pornography being abused and say here, "I want you to do this," and demand that the act be specifically duplicated. Pornography creates a demand for specific dangerous and demeaning sexual acts, inflicted on prostituted people.

* Pornography both creates and fills demand for trafficked persons. The flow of sex for money, the supply side, and of money for sex, demand side, is a mass market in human flesh, one technological mediation removed from skin on skin, or on the internet, two levels of technological mediation removed. But pornography is a form of sexual trafficking in human beings.

* Pornography on the Internet

* The number of unique visitors to pornography websites is between 23 million and 60 million a day. The largest news websites get only between 2 million and 3 million hits a day.

* Playboy has had a website since 1984. In 1995, it got 620,000 hits daily. By 1997, it got 5 million hits daily.

* The leader in pornography websites, Exodus, which is owned by MCI, made over $900 million last year.

* Pornography websites are the most profitable websites-approximately $2 billion per year in

* An estimated 20% of pornography surfers are pornography addicts. In the magazine Adult Video News, there was an article on how to create websites to keep addicts coming back. This is similar in concept to how alcohol industries make most of their money off alcoholics.

* One-third of men go to pornography sites at work. Adult Video News advised to create websites that look like business sites so men can continue to visit the sites at work, advocating creating a site for every industry or profession.

* Pornography is big business.

* By 1983, there were 13,000 pornography films ever made. Today, there are 11,000 pornography films made per year.

* In 1986 over one half of all prerecorded tape sales were pornography.

* In 1996, 9,000 pornography films were made versus 471 Hollywood films.

* Pornography has the highest profit margin of any media.

* 69% of the $1.4 billion cable television industry is pornography. (4% is video games, 2% is sports.)

* Pornography is run by big business.

* The biggest distributor of pornography was General Motors, who owned Direct TV. Now Rupert Murdock owns Direct TV. He also owns Fox TV, 20th Century Fox, New York Post, Los Angeles Dodgers, Ecostar Communications, and HarperCollins (which published How to Make Love Like a Porn Star).

* Time Warner is the largest media corporation in the world and owns HBO, which produces propornography documentaries. They also own the WB network, CNN, AOL, CastleRock Films, Sports Illustrated and Amazon.com.

* The nation's largest cable company, Comcast, made over $50 million in pornography programming in 2002. It also owns E! entertainment network.

* AT&T makes more money from pornography than any other company in the world. Phone sex earns over $2 million per year. Phone sex is routed to Third World countries like Guyana, which gets as much as 40% of its gross domestic product from phone sex.

* hotels make more from pornography than from snacks and bars. In Norway, they are trying to get rid of pornography in hotels-the cleaning women are getting harassed.

* Pornography is now entrenched in the political economy of the western world.

Pornographers have lobbyists and give campaign donations, and pornography is largely controlled by the media/culture industries. They are a part of the culture industry, and have a significant role in constructing masculinity, femininity and sexuality even in mainstream culture through their connections with mainstream media.

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Research on Pornography and Prostitution

Presenter:

Melissa Farley, director of Prostitution Research and Education in San Francisco.

Main Points:

* 854 women in prostitution in 9 countries-different cultures, races and classes-were studied.

* 47 % of the women were upset at men's coercing them into imitating acts they had seen in pornography

* 49 % had had pornography made of them. (These findings corroborate a 1990 study by WHISPER in which 53% of women in prostitution had pornography made of them.)

* Sixty-eight percent of the women had Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, a condition caused by extreme emotional distress. Although it is clear that prostitution causes great psychological harm, it was impossible to tell exactly what caused the PTSD. When looking at the effects of childhood sexual abuse, physical abuse, rape and prostitution, the researcher ran into statistical ceiling effects: the effect of each factor is so massive that they cannot demonstrate additional affects from any other factors. But there was a statistically significant finding that women who had pornography made of them or were coerced into pornographic acts had more severe symptoms of PTSD.

* Parley also reported on another research study on what tricks say about prostitution, pornography and trafficking. They found that tricks used magazine and video pornography significantly more than non-tricks, but there was no difference between tricks and non-tricks with regard to the use of internet pornography. Tricks also endorsed questions indicating likelihood to rape significantly more often than non-tricks. Men who frequently used pornography had higher likelihood to rape scores than men who used pornography less often.

* In qualitative interviews, tricks made these statements:

* Women in pornography are the same as prostitutes because they are getting money for doing the film.

* Women have less value than men.

* Prostitutes give up the right to say no.

* Prostitution is an act of force and not love.

* Men get off on controlling women.

* Prostitution is paid rape.

* Prostitution makes women subservient.

* Men talked about using a prostitute as a means of "getting even" or "scoring points."

* Many tricks said that they thought women got into prostitution because they got beaten and abused as children, and that prostitution takes away a part of themselves that they can't get back.

* Tricks said that prostitutes help men who are angry at women.

* Tricks are aware of pimp-prostitute relationships and see them as exploitive.

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Presenter:

Dr. Neil Malamuth, professor of psychology, communication and women's studies at University of California, Los Angeles.

Main Points:

* Pornography is one of several factors potentially contributing to sexual aggression. Exposure to violent rape media can cause changes in attitudes and can increase sexually violent fantasies. The effects of violent rape media on men at high risk for committing rape are stronger.

* Impersonal orientation toward sex, a hostile style of masculinity, a history of family violence and use of pornography were the top four factors predicting a man would score highly on a scale for likelihood to be sexually aggressive, according to a study on 2,879 men.

* Pornography may serve as an activation or priming of aggressive tendencies brought by a man to a situation, and as a reinforcement of existing tendencies for sexual aggression. Pornography can also result in a tipping point effect that may be manifested in other ways-such as how a man votes on a jury in a rape trial, or a tendency toward dominating conversations.

* Pornography tends to make men see the woman they are currently in a relationship with as less attractive.

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Presenter:

Robert Jensen, associate professor in the School of Journalism of the University of Texas at Austin, and co-author, with Gail Dines and Ann Russo, of Pornography: The Production and Consumption of Inequality

Main Points:

* The amount of cruelty and degradation in pornography is increasing, not just in the fringe material, but it is in mainstream material. There is also increased mainstream acceptance of pornography. The short answer in the short term is that pornographers won.

my point exactly

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The pornography industry earns $10 billion per year while Hollywood earns $9.5 billion per year.

* In 1988, the greatest weapons pornographers had were the free speech wars-it was a powerful trump card. But that has been supplanted by rhetoric of sexual liberation. But how can you think of liberation in a world of double penetration? (Double penetration is now common.) How did that practice become liberation? How did sexual practices such as throat fucking or blow bangs (orally servicing three to ten men) become liberation?

my point exactly

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* At talks about pornography, most men don't want to engage-some percentage of men in the audience use pornography. Jensen asked them to reflect on how they achieve sexual pleasure. Men don't see degradation or that the way they have learned to be sexual is in question. Sex is important to people and fear is a very powerful motivator not to look at it. We must provide a model for what is beyond that fear.

* Lots of men do see women this way. For lots of men, women are three holes and two hands.* For women, it is hard to come to terms with how men see women.

* If we are asking men to give up one kind of their identity as sexual beings, then we must be on the other side with alternatives. Self-esteem is attached to sexual lovability. It is not reasonable to ask people to shed their identity without having something else there they can replace it with.

* Few people really deeply feel that pornography is liberation.

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Children, Pornography and Sex Trafficking

Dr. Diana E. H. Russell is Professor Emerita of sociology at Mills College, in Oakland, California, and author of numerous books on pornography and incest.

Main Points:

* Many people who are not against pornography have never really seen what it is about. It is important even for anti-pornography activists to see the actual pictures, or otherwise it can be just an intellectual debate.

* Russell gave a slide show of some examples "virtual" child pornography that was graphic and highly disturbing to view. Russell's point that even many anti-pornography activists are not familiar with the extent of degradation and depravity.

* Russell explained that "pseudo" child pornography-in which women who are 18 or older are used, but made to look extremely young-is legal. She also said that computers are increasingly used to childify (a term coined by Liz Kelly's to mean the ways in which adult women are deliberately infantilized by being made to appear as if they are children) adult women.

my point exactly

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* Russell said that the Supreme Court does not see the harm in pseudo child pornography. Russell said that viewing child pornography is also a cause of child sexual abuse, because it predisposes men to sexually abuse children. She cited Chester the Molester cartoonist Dwayne Tinsley who was convicted of sexually abusing his daughter and another girl in the early 1990s. Russell said that no matter how violent, all cartoons and drawings of child pornography and sexual abuse are legal.

* There are websites where men can request custommade cartoons, even sending personal or family pictures to the cartoonists to create life-like images. She also cited a violent pornographer, Max Hardcore, who gives actual instructions to pedophiles showing how to break children down for sexual abuse, by, for example, taking explicit photos and threatening to show the pictures to the child's school.

* Russell said that simply viewing child pornography can predispose some males who are not previously predisposed to be interested in sexually abusing a child by sexualizing and sexually objectifying children or by merging social images of girls and women increases propensity to use girls as substitutes for women. She said viewing child pornography can also intensify desire in men who are already predisposed and it undermines social inhibitions by giving the impression that lots of men are doing this (which she said is actually true) and that it is therefore fairly safe.

enter NAMBLA-land.

laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:37 am Post subject:

nasigoreng wrote:

i wouldn't know about picking up hookers back home.... never been that desperate.

Please, don't try to again detract from the topic with baseless insinuations. It's not my fault you have lived in a barn. I have seen the shadier side of Canada.

I went through most of that. The links between pornography and violence against women are not clear at all. Actually, a lot of the facts in those didn't show any link, just things about pornography, prostitution and violence all separated from eachother.
And some things are just unbelievable, like 1/3 of all men at work look at pornography while working! Shocked

And the bottom part is just a bunch of exceptions. As you say yourself, pornography is a huge business. Find a few exceptions is not going to prove your case. These exceptions should be fixed, as they are not good, but like the saying goes, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water." Some video games are bad. Ban them all, they cause violence. Some of the Halequin books are dirty, ban all romance novels! etc etc (using hyperbole here to illustrate a point).
There was one which atleast attempted to show causality and effect, but what you have to realize is that the watching of lots of pronography by sex offenders is a symptom of an obviously deeper issue, not the cause of it. The sex offender will most likely still have whatever issue would make a human violate another in a violent way even without pornography.

It's like saying becoming a priest will probably make you a child molester. Obviously, that's quite untrue. Becoming the priest didn't do anything about the underlying fact that the guy was a child molester.
Using your logic, since pornography watchers are sex offenders then pornography must cause it. So since some priests are child molesters then becoming a priest must cause it.

Hollywoodaction

Joined: 02 Jul 2004

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject:

Forcing one's religious beliefs unto others is far more obscene than pornography.

nasigoreng

Joined: 14 May 2004

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:53 am Post subject:

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Forcing one's religious beliefs unto others is far more obscene than pornography.

Did you come up with that yourself?

you might enjoy commenting on the thread "Journalists in Gaza forced to Convert to Islam."

which religion do you think I'm forcing upon you?

i haven't envoked any specific religious philosophy or ethics here and i'm not going to... i'm no holy roller and i'm no 'holier than thou'.

One can be an atheist/secular and still agree that murder, theivery, adultery, dishonesty, etc... all have a negative impact on society and there should be laws against them.

not every person who drinks alchohol is an alchoholic but alchohol is still regulated with laws that determine where it can be sold and any establishment selling alchohol w/o permits will be subject to penalties. Has this hotel chain got the necessary permits to distribute "obscene" material (hardcore pornography) ? If not, they can be prosecuted. Then, after they get said permits, family groups can organize a boycott and we'll see what happens. Worst case scenario: you'll have to bring your own porn on your laptop.

The growing amount of sexually-oriented material in society is a concern of mine- pushing the envelope with sex to sell everything, I feel, has a desensitizing effect.

Hollywoodaction

Joined: 02 Jul 2004

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:24 am Post subject:

nasigoreng wrote:

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Forcing one's religious beliefs unto others is far more obscene than pornography.

"Conservatives ask FBI to investigate hotel porn"

Right...Must be those damned conservative atheists. Rolling Eyes

Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:24 pm Post subject:

So where is bin Laden again? Oh that's right the FBI is to busy worrying about what consenting adults are watching in their hotel rooms!

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0907061bukk1.html

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Feds Give "Toilet Man 6" Two Hands Up
Bush administration obscenity crackdown nets fetish film kingpin
SEPTEMBER 7--In what appears to be a Department of Justice first, federal officials today included the word "bukkake" in a press release announcing the arrest of a Brazilian man for allegedly distributing obscene material. According to federal prosecutors, Danilo Simoes Croce, 42, operated web sites offering "obscene videos for download or delivery in the U.S.. The videos depicted bukkake, fisting, and depictions of defecation, urination, and vomiting in conjunction with sex acts." The Sao Paulo man was arrested yesterday in Florida, where he was charged with conspiracy to distribute obscene material, a felony carrying a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $150,000 fine. In a revoltingly detailed criminal complaint, postal inspector Linda Walker provides a shot-by-shot description of some of the films purchased from Croce's sites by undercover investigators, who have been targeting the operation for more than three years. Some of titles carefully reviewed by Inspector Walker were "Toilet Man 6," "Bukkake 3," and "Scat Pleasures," according to the complaint, excerpts of which you'll find below. In the Croce document, Walker also includes a brief "background on fetish-type" films, in case readers (like, say, a square U.S. magistrate judge) were unfamiliar with terms such as "fisting." The Croce case is the latest major prosecution brought as a result of the Bush administration's initiative against hard-core pornography. In a communication last year to the FBI's 56 field offices, the anti-obscenity campaign was described as "one of the top priorities" of Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez and FBI Director Robert Mueller.

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