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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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You're a baised moron.
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thanks for the laugh. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Grotto,
Please read the sentence after the paragraph which displeases you so much...
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| It always astounds me how people want to oppose an evil, by doing the same thing. If you tell people to hate Jews, I'm going to tell people to hate Arabs. What are you blind? |
you are not only blind but deaf and dumb.....
I say that sincerely, the logic you spout are from the dark ages. No self respecting human being or even philosopher, could argue your position......by your logic, we are all complicit and I guess we should all just blow each other up...
what your "moral" arguement boils down to is, "they had it coming". Don't care how or who is in the way....they had it coming.....
You need a little more fibre in your diet -- your prescription for democratic health is exactly the wrong course and the wrong medicine. It is exactly what these "few" want America and all those who would truly wish for freedom to do . To devalue freedom and make it just a tin slogan.......you are the moron and I am a little more on.....
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Some lebanese- generally christian- like to distance themselves from other arabs. Claiming their phonecian is one way they do it. |
Back where I come from, some so-called white people like to distance themselves from other so-called white people who they think may have inferior values and morals. Referring to themselves as Carolina Rednecks is one way they do it.  |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you're wrong. People are people, and the thing is if an Israeli dies because of a suicide bomb, it's just as abominable as a Palestinian getting shelled by an Israeli rocket. That's a moral position. Not,Arabs getting killed isn't as bad as Israelis getting killed, because their media are more hate filled. In the same way it's just as bad as someone to incite hatred on an Arab TV, or on a Discussion Forum. It's a moral position to hold yourself to the same standards you hold your enemy. |
You're a baised moron.
Terrorists use suicide bombers against innocent targets. Often the civilian casualties on the other side are the direct result of the terrorists hiding and striking from amid the civilian poplulation of their own people.
There have been several cases that are under investigation in Iraq, Lebanon and Gaza where civilian casualties were very high but the striking army (US or Isreali) denies that it had any ordanance targetting that area. If this is so then the terrorists are killing their own people in order to garner even more sympathy for their evil.
After all people who willing target (or hide among them) civilians especially woman and children are capable of anything. |
Wow! Now the terrorists in Iraq, Lebanon and Gaza are massacring their own people to gain sympathy?? I would have thought that the sympathy of their own population was more important than the sympathy of the west. Maybe that's just me?
Grotto, just what is responding to this post;
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| People are people, and the thing is if an Israeli dies because of a suicide bomb, it's just as abominable as a Palestinian getting shelled by an Israeli rocket. |
with this...
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There have been several cases that are under investigation in Iraq, Lebanon and Gaza where civilian casualties were very high but the striking army (US or Isreali) denies that it had any ordanance targetting that area. If this is so then the terrorists are killing their own people in order to garner even more sympathy for their evil. After all people who willing target (or hide among them) civilians especially woman and children are capable of anything.
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going to achieve?
I think your bias is quite obvious. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| I think you're wrong. People are people, and the thing is if an Israeli dies because of a suicide bomb, it's just as abominable as a Palestinian getting shelled by an Israeli rocket. That's a moral position. Not,Arabs getting killed isn't as bad as Israelis getting killed, because their media are more hate filled. In the same way it's just as bad as someone to incite hatred on an Arab TV, or on a Discussion Forum. It's a moral position to hold yourself to the same standards you hold your enemy. |
No, its more abominable when an Israeli dies from a suicide bomb, because the bomber is deliberately targetting civilians. Its true that in both cases a life is lost, but if my father dies of a heart attack (or a car crash), it doesn't come across as being as senseless a death as if he had been blown up by a suicide bomb. If my father were killed by an Israeli rocket, I'd be furious, too, but in that case I don't think he would have been deliberately targeted.
As far as loss of life is concerned, all deaths are equal, they all result in the termination of a life, but that doesn't mean that when I accidently and soberly swerve into an oncoming car, killing the driver, that it is as morally abominable as detonating myself in the car and killing the same driver. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| I think you're wrong. People are people, and the thing is if an Israeli dies because of a suicide bomb, it's just as abominable as a Palestinian getting shelled by an Israeli rocket. That's a moral position. Not,Arabs getting killed isn't as bad as Israelis getting killed, because their media are more hate filled. In the same way it's just as bad as someone to incite hatred on an Arab TV, or on a Discussion Forum. It's a moral position to hold yourself to the same standards you hold your enemy. |
No, its more abominable when an Israeli dies from a suicide bomb, because the bomber is deliberately targetting civilians. Its true that in both cases a life is lost, but if my father dies of a heart attack (or a car crash), it doesn't come across as being as senseless a death as if he had been blown up by a suicide bomb. If my father were killed by an Israeli rocket, I'd be furious, too, but in that case I don't think he would have been deliberately targeted.
As far as loss of life is concerned, all deaths are equal, they all result in the termination of a life, but that doesn't mean that when I accidently and soberly swerve into an oncoming car, killing the driver, that it is as morally abominable as detonating myself in the car and killing the same driver. |
Yeah, I see your point Kuros there are degrees of murder, and manslaughter enscribed in law - all derived from intent. Still, for Hamas, Hizbollah and Israel - it's an ongoing war, not civilian life. Israeli's are losing mothers and children the same as Lebanese. I don't think intent or morality means diddley to those left behind.
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| There are no civilians in the Middle East- the Arabs have seen to that. And only a silly Canadian would wish the Isrealis to "wage peace" considering just how close they came to being rendered in to soap not so long ago. The Muslims don't want peace- they want to finish the job Adolph started. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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[Wow! Now the terrorists in Iraq, Lebanon and Gaza are massacring their own people to gain sympathy?? I would have thought that the sympathy of their own population was more important than the sympathy of the west. Maybe that's just me?
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I don't know about Lebanon or Gaza but it is a proven fact that the terrorists in Iraq have and continue to massacre their own people and deliberately target civilians with car bombs and the like. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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[Wow! Now the terrorists in Iraq, Lebanon and Gaza are massacring their own people to gain sympathy?? I would have thought that the sympathy of their own population was more important than the sympathy of the west. Maybe that's just me?
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I don't know about Lebanon or Gaza but it is a proven fact that the terrorists in Iraq have and continue to massacre their own people and deliberately target civilians with car bombs and the like. |
That's true Urban, but I don't think it's done for the reasons Grotto thinks;
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| There have been several cases that are under investigation in Iraq, Lebanon and Gaza where civilian casualties were very high but the striking army (US or Isreali) denies that it had any ordanance targetting that area. If this is so then the terrorists are killing their own people in order to garner even more sympathy for their evil. |
I got the idea it's more about sectarian violence between Shia and Sunni Muslims, rather than a callous attempt to sway public opinion in the West. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Do the Arabs have guts (and good sense) to wage peace?
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Well not since 1908 it seems.  |
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