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livinginkorea
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
Location: Korea, South of the border
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Here's my list:
Korean Teachers:
teaching (how many classes exactly?)
testing (downloaded from governement websites)
marking (I have seen the high level students marking others in their class)
journals (for their own promotion, they all want to be supervisors)
some teachers are designated to plan events (and drag the parents into it)
dealing with the administration
got their teaching license (they have several in fact because they are governement employees - the more they get the better their pay)
teach half days every second Saturday (soon it will be once a month and then it will be abolised for good)
Teacher's Day (still the biggest money day of the year for teachers. A third of the schools stay open to accept these bribes!)
pension (lump sum when they finish)
wage increase every year!
Me:
teaching (I teach 99% of the class. My co-teacher did literally nothing)
motivational system (brillant points system for the kids. If they did well then their parents gave them a present)
discipline (me not the K teacher)
broadcasting (I'm on the school t.v. system everyday for 10 minutes)
website (I wrote questions/homework/put up pictures for the students to interact with me on the school website. The students put up their diary and I corrected it)
testing (I had to make my own)
marking (no students marked my tests)
journals (for my own advancement, it's possible but I can't exactly do a crash course every summer like K teachers do)
no planning of school events (depends how active you are)
barely ever see the administration (except when they want me to play volleyball twice a week)
currently doing my masters
no pension (I'm not from North America)
air ticket every year
no housing (I had my own place, so it was a lot less work for them)
interacting with students (Korean teachers do not talk to students. They have that I will talk down to you attitute. I got to know my students which helped me a lot more in the classroom. I got the respect whereas my co teachers didn't) |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| livinginkorea wrote: |
Here's my list:
Korean Teachers:
teaching (how many classes exactly?)
testing (downloaded from governement websites)
marking (I have seen the high level students marking others in their class)
journals (for their own promotion, they all want to be supervisors)
some teachers are designated to plan events (and drag the parents into it)
dealing with the administration
got their teaching license (they have several in fact because they are governement employees - the more they get the better their pay)
teach half days every second Saturday (soon it will be once a month and then it will be abolised for good)
Teacher's Day (still the biggest money day of the year for teachers. A third of the schools stay open to accept these bribes!)
pension (lump sum when they finish)
wage increase every year!
Me:
teaching (I teach 99% of the class. My co-teacher did literally nothing)
motivational system (brillant points system for the kids. If they did well then their parents gave them a present)
discipline (me not the K teacher)
broadcasting (I'm on the school t.v. system everyday for 10 minutes)
website (I wrote questions/homework/put up pictures for the students to interact with me on the school website. The students put up their diary and I corrected it)
testing (I had to make my own)
marking (no students marked my tests)
journals (for my own advancement, it's possible but I can't exactly do a crash course every summer like K teachers do)
no planning of school events (depends how active you are)
barely ever see the administration (except when they want me to play volleyball twice a week)
currently doing my masters
no pension (I'm not from North America)
air ticket every year
no housing (I had my own place, so it was a lot less work for them)
interacting with students (Korean teachers do not talk to students. They have that I will talk down to you attitute. I got to know my students which helped me a lot more in the classroom. I got the respect whereas my co teachers didn't) |
You are one of those guys who whines like a baby when you found out your friend bought something for half the price somewhere else, aren't you? Did they pull a fast one on you when you got here? Did they change the contract at all? You signed it.
If you really think you deserve more, then you need to find a job that will give you what you deserve. Maybe an international school, where people are treated like teachers like back home.
I won't even bother bringing up the differences with foreigners back home compared to our minor inequalities. Hell, how many people back home are driving cabs with PHds in Medicine while Canada has a doctor shortage  This doesn't mean things shouldn't be changed, and sometimes I feel like you. But I prefer to keep my blood pressure low by worrying about things that really need to be worried about.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| livinginkorea wrote: |
Of course foreign teachers are evaluated!! (1)When I was talking to the VP about resigning, he showed me my evaluation (all in Korea) with scores and said that if I didn't resign he would change the scores to zero. What a retard. (2) Typical Korean trying to scare a foreigner into staying! You should be grateful that we are giving you a job! I picked that school! This country needs native English teachers, not the other way around! (3) My co teachers also have forms detailing every mistake I made. Sniff around your co-teachers desk if you don't believe me!
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(numbers are mine)
(1) If this is true...then why on earth would you stay there, evaluation or no? I'd rather work for a hakwon than be treated like THAT.
(2) Worked though, didn't it?
(3) Do the same for them. Two can play at that game.
As a side note when I asked to see my evaluation prior to resigning (I wanted to know what was being said about me) I was told that foreign teachers weren't evaluated...maybe it's different at your school? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| I_Am_Wrong wrote: |
| . It doesn't get much easier that an Elementary school gig and it's an absolute joke that they share the same contract as I. |
You could be right, although I am going with your user name on that above quote.
But let's assume for the sake of argument that you are right.
If there WERE different contracts for different levels, then all foreign teachers would try for the best one, and many positions would be left unfilled, or filled by unhappy teachers who would flee it as soon a better position opened up. |
Like in the west? Or with Korean teachers? If this happened, more teachers would stay at the best ones, and the best ones would be filled by long-termers. Crappy jobs would still have a high turn-over rate, like they do now.
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| Not only that, but there would likely be a lot more backstabbing and less foreign cohesion then there is already as teachers would be jockying for position at the higher level jobs. |
Good jobs would have stiff competition at first, but there would be a lot more foreign cohesion amongst FTs wanting to stay long-term. Most public schools have only one FT so there isn't opportunity for back-stabbing at school at any rate.
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| Plus it would be an absolute headache for administrate to write up 10,000 different contracts (which they would have to do if experience meant more money) |
Anymore than it is with 200,000 Korean teachers? All it would involve in most cases is changing one or two clauses.
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| And let's be honest, many teachers' experience consists of playing Bingo and Hangman. A lot do the absolute mimimum and that's all. |
Many KTs' experience consists of lecturing out of a textbook. A lot do the absolute minimum and that's all.
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| Should they get more pay then somebody who designs a excellent English curriculum and does a lot of unpaid overtime to make sure his students learn? Even if the first group have an average of 10 years "experience" and the second group only two? Seems rather unfair. |
No, just like KTs who work their asses off for their students shouldn't get the same or less pay as KTs who go to class two or three times a day, don't care if anyone's paying attention, and then go back to the staff lounge to watch TV and nap.
What a series of extremely weak arguments. |
My point was that an elementary school gig is not always easy and other people have backed me up on this argument. |
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livinginkorea
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
Location: Korea, South of the border
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Ya I signed the contact and did a great job at the school. They tried to threaten me to stay and I said no. It would be difficult not to whine about that right? I don't whine at all, just said no again and again. All my post was about what I saw in my school. Of course it depends on what school you are in but generally the K teachers are the same.
I wasn't talking about teaches back home I was talking about the difference between Korean teachers and native teachers like some other posters did. Also I was replying to RR post about evaluating native teachers so I am not so sure what exactly you are trying to say.
Don't worry I have a more deserving job lined up so all's well that end's well!! |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| livinginkorea wrote: |
Ya I signed the contact and did a great job at the school. They tried to threaten me to stay and I said no. It would be difficult not to whine about that right? I don't whine at all, just said no again and again. All my post was about what I saw in my school. Of course it depends on what school you are in but generally the K teachers are the same.
I wasn't talking about teaches back home I was talking about the difference between Korean teachers and native teachers like some other posters did. Also I was replying to RR post about evaluating native teachers so I am not so sure what exactly you are trying to say.
Don't worry I have a more deserving job lined up so all's well that end's well!! |
I hope it goes well. |
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livinginkorea
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
Location: Korea, South of the border
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| livinginkorea wrote: |
Of course foreign teachers are evaluated!! (1)When I was talking to the VP about resigning, he showed me my evaluation (all in Korea) with scores and said that if I didn't resign he would change the scores to zero. What a retard. (2) Typical Korean trying to scare a foreigner into staying! You should be grateful that we are giving you a job! I picked that school! This country needs native English teachers, not the other way around! (3) My co teachers also have forms detailing every mistake I made. Sniff around your co-teachers desk if you don't believe me!
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(numbers are mine)
(1) If this is true...then why on earth would you stay there, evaluation or no? I'd rather work for a hakwon than be treated like THAT.
(2) Worked though, didn't it?
(3) Do the same for them. Two can play at that game.
-4- As a side note when I asked to see my evaluation prior to resigning (I wanted to know what was being said about me) I was told that foreign teachers weren't evaluated...maybe it's different at your school? |
Numbers are yours...
1 - I stated that I didn't stay on. I finished my contract (last week) and left. I thought that was clear.
2 - No it didn't work because I didn't re-sign with them.
3 - Indeed I did. All materials made by me were trashed. All mesages on the school website that I made were deleted. I had to buy and then cancel my ticket so that I would get paid for it but never the less I am 1.6 million won richer for my efforts.
My number..
4 - I saw the offical paper from my area. It said that all foreign teachers had to be evaluated. I imagine that paper was from the head office and then changed for each area. I would be very surprised if you were not evaluated. Everybody even the janitor is evaluated I was told. It's a government job remember - lots of paper work.
Also the educational office want records of us in case we go from one school to another. It makes sense to me.
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livinginkorea
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
Location: Korea, South of the border
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| livinginkorea wrote: |
Ya I signed the contact and did a great job at the school. They tried to threaten me to stay and I said no. It would be difficult not to whine about that right? I don't whine at all, just said no again and again. All my post was about what I saw in my school. Of course it depends on what school you are in but generally the K teachers are the same.
I wasn't talking about teaches back home I was talking about the difference between Korean teachers and native teachers like some other posters did. Also I was replying to RR post about evaluating native teachers so I am not so sure what exactly you are trying to say.
Don't worry I have a more deserving job lined up so all's well that end's well!! |
I hope it goes well. |
Thanks man, it already has. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I must admit UM, I find it hard to believe that you aren't evaluated somehow. Even back home, in practically every job possible, people are evaluated. And I am sure here you are too. I'm not saying they are lying, but maybe some miscommunication happened? |
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livinginkorea
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
Location: Korea, South of the border
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| I must admit UM, I find it hard to believe that you aren't evaluated somehow. Even back home, in practically every job possible, people are evaluated. And I am sure here you are too. I'm not saying they are lying, but maybe some miscommunication happened? |
If he/she wasn't before then I am sure that he/she will be now after what happened recently with that teacher who taught here before and then went on to Thailand. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| I must admit UM, I find it hard to believe that you aren't evaluated somehow. Even back home, in practically every job possible, people are evaluated. And I am sure here you are too. I'm not saying they are lying, but maybe some miscommunication happened? |
I find it hard to believe too..I'm just saying that's what I was told. Probably right on the money with the miscommunication. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| I must admit UM, I find it hard to believe that you aren't evaluated somehow. Even back home, in practically every job possible, people are evaluated. And I am sure here you are too. I'm not saying they are lying, but maybe some miscommunication happened? |
I find it hard to believe too..I'm just saying that's what I was told. Probably right on the money with the miscommunication. |
I also haven't been evaluated in any formal way in my current job. My school seems to love me, so that seems to be good enough. |
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