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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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You might also enjoy this song of Joan Baez's about a phone call she received from Dylan years after their affair ended.
Diamonds and Rust
Well I'll be damned
Here comes your ghost again
But that's not unusual
It's just that the moon is full
And you happened to call
And here I sit
Hand on the telephone
Hearing a voice I'd known
A couple of light years ago
Heading straight for a fall
As I remember your eyes
Were bluer than robin's eggs
My poetry was lousy you said
Where are you calling from?
A booth in the midwest
Ten years ago
I bought you some cufflinks
You brought me something
We both know what memories can bring
They bring diamonds and rust
Well you burst on the scene
Already a legend
The unwashed phenomenon
The original vagabond
You strayed into my arms
And there you stayed
Temporarily lost at sea
The Madonna was yours for free
Yes the girl on the half-shell
Would keep you unharmed
Now I see you standing
With brown leaves falling around
And snow in your hair
Now you're smiling out the window
Of that crummy hotel
Over Washington Square
Our breath comes out white clouds
Mingles and hangs in the air
Speaking strictly for me
We both could have died then and there
Now you're telling me
You're not nostalgic
Then give me another word for it
You who are so good with words
And at keeping things vague
Because I need some of that vagueness now
It's all come back too clearly
Yes I loved you dearly
And if you're offering me diamonds and rust
I've already paid
� 1975 Chandos Music (ASCAP) |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Besides "All Along the Watchtower" (by Jimi Hendrix) I think some of the most notable covers of Dylan were "My Back Pages" (and "Mr. Tambourine Man") by the Byrds, "All I Really Want To Do" (Sonny and Cher), "It Ain't Me, Babe" (Turtles), "Forever Young" (Rod Stewart), "If Not For You" (George Harrison), "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" (Guns and Roses), "It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry" (Al Kooper, Steve Stills, Mike Bloomfield : Super Session), "Just Like a Woman" (Richie Havens), "Mighty Quinn" (Manfred Mann), "A Hard Rain's a Gonna Fall" (Edie Brikell and the New Bohemians) and, of course, "Blowin' In the Wind" - and "Don't Think Twice, It's All Right" (Peter, Paul and Mary...) |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Bob Dylan is far better to read than to listen to. Lyrically fantastic but vocally challenged. His songs always sound better when someone else sings them. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Did he really write this one?
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Love Henry
"Get down, get down, Love Henry," she cried.
"And stay all night with me.
I have gold chains, and the finest I have
I'll apply them all to thee."
2. "I can't get down and I shan't get down,
Or stay all night with thee.
Some pretty little girl in Cornersville
I love far better than thee."
3. He layed his head on a pillow of down.
Kisses she gave him three.
With a penny knife that she held in her hand
She murdered mortal he.
Instrumental
4. "Get well, get well, Love Henry, " She cried,
"Get well, get well," said she.
"Oh don't you see my own heart's blood
Come flowin' down so free?"
5. She took him by his long yellow hair,
And also by his feet.
She plunged him into well water, where
It runs both cold and deep.
6. "Lie there, lie there, Love Henry," she cried,
"Til the flesh rots off your bones.
Some pretty little girl in Cornersville
Will mourn for your return."
Instrumental
7. "Hush up, hush up, my parrot," she cried,
"And light on my right knee.
The doors to your cage shall be decked with gold
And hung on a willow tree."
9. "I won't fly down, I can't fly down
And light on your right knee.
A girl who would murder her own true love
Would kill a little birdlike me."
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Is there a more depressing song? |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| Bob Dylan is far better to read than to listen to. Lyrically fantastic but vocally challenged. His songs always sound better when someone else sings them. |
I'm not sure about that.
Consider this:
If you had taken the trouble to write and put a song together, don't you suppose you should be the one to express it?
Does someone else express your ideas and work better than you?
Sometimes, perhaps, in a fan's mind, but you know it is still your work.
There's a thing, I cannot say what, about hearing the one who made it, express his own work.
Brilliance such as Dylan provides, requires the expression of the one who created it, in my opinion.
Forgive me, I'm a huge fan, and rarely does a copy of his work impress me more than the original.
I can appreciate a copy or cover, but usually it isn't the same.
I want to hear the singer behind the song. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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He was born: May 24, 1941
Bob is 66. Wow. |
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cwemory

Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Location: Gunpo, Korea
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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The University of Minnesota just finished a major symposium on Dylans' work. Would have loved to been there.
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He�s Not There (2007): Talkin� Bob Dylan Symposium Blues
Stephen Hazan Arnoff
zeek.net
group of some one hundred and fifty scholars, writers, musicians, critics, and other careful listeners came to Highway 61 Revisited: Dylan�s Road from Minnesota to the World at the University of Minnesota this past March looking for a cure for their Talkin� Bob Dylan Blues. With more than fifty papers presented over three days on topics including (but not limited to) Dylan and the disabled, sleaze, Japan and England and Italy, Andy Warhol, Zen, trains, Virgil, the Nobel Prize, his fans, and the apocalypse, it was a chance for some of the artist�s most faithful interpreters to try to craft something beautiful or useful or dissonant or inspiring from thinking about Dylan�s work from just about every conceivable angle.
Musician Spider John Koerner started the program by pointing out the irony of the impending explosion of Dylan Talk in the land of the typically laconic Minnesotan, joking: �Did you hear the one about the Norwegian who loved his wife so much he almost told her?� Then conference organizer Colleen Sheehy noted that regardless of any Nordic reserve in the air, all of the participants shared a burden for which she was quite grateful: �We can�t stop talking about him,� she said.
In our defense, Dylan is as ubiquitous as ever, and there is a lot to talk about. Tune in to Theme Time Radio Hour, and for just $12.95 a month (yes friends, that�s just $12.95 a month � satellite radio receiver not included), host Bob Dylan will talk your ear off every week, a freewheelin�, genial, and even giddy host introducing and parsing a thematic grab bag of country, soul, rock, and blues. Hear the Yoda of DJs declaiming excerpts from Paradise Lost or a poem by Emily Dickenson, singing �Take Me Out to the Ballgame� a capella, answering (probably fake) email correspondence from listeners, preaching about the Bible or Women�s Names or Laughter, sharing recipes for drinks, or rattling off forty or so names of favorite flowers, including the name of one � the Victoria Sorgum � that he invents on the spot, cracking himself up on air. Though he does not address the audience directly, Dylan performs incessantly � upwards of one hundred concerts a year at county fairs, private corporate events, casinos, festivals, zoos, and mid- and large-size halls, even spending a few summers with Willie Nelson appearing only in minor league baseball parks. Having recently shared his visage with an ad campaign by Victoria�s Secret, published the first segment of a multi-volume memoir, produced a documentary on his early career with Martin Scorsese, and green lighted a bio-pic entitled I�m Not There (featuring not one, but seven actors in the role of you-know-who), when it comes to the public sphere, Bob Dylan can�t stop talking either. |
rest here: http://www.zeek.net/706dylan/ |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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"Tangled Up in Blue" hasn't been mentioned often enough. Gotta fix that.
Early one mornin' the sun was shinin',
I was layin' in bed
Wond'rin' if she'd changed at all
If her hair was still red.
Her folks they said our lives together
Sure was gonna be rough
They never did like Mama's homemade dress
Papa's bankbook wasn't big enough.
And I was standin' on the side of the road
Rain fallin' on my shoes
Heading out for the East Coast
Lord knows I've paid some dues gettin' through,
Tangled up in blue.
She was married when we first met
Soon to be divorced
I helped her out of a jam, I guess,
But I used a little too much force.
We drove that car as far as we could
Abandoned it out West
Split up on a dark sad night
Both agreeing it was best.
She turned around to look at me
As I was walkin' away
I heard her say over my shoulder,
"We'll meet again someday on the avenue,"
Tangled up in blue.
I had a job in the great north woods
Working as a cook for a spell
But I never did like it all that much
And one day the ax just fell.
So I drifted down to New Orleans
Where I happened to be employed
Workin' for a while on a fishin' boat
Right outside of Delacroix.
But all the while I was alone
The past was close behind,
I seen a lot of women
But she never escaped my mind, and I just grew
Tangled up in blue.
She was workin' in a topless place
And I stopped in for a beer,
I just kept lookin' at the side of her face
In the spotlight so clear.
And later on as the crowd thinned out
I's just about to do the same,
She was standing there in back of my chair
Said to me, "Don't I know your name?"
I muttered somethin' underneath my breath,
She studied the lines on my face.
I must admit I felt a little uneasy
When she bent down to tie the laces of my shoe,
Tangled up in blue.
She lit a burner on the stove and offered me a pipe
"I thought you'd never say hello," she said
"You look like the silent type."
Then she opened up a book of poems
And handed it to me
Written by an Italian poet
From the thirteenth century.
And every one of them words rang true
And glowed like burnin' coal
Pourin' off of every page
Like it was written in my soul from me to you,
Tangled up in blue.
I lived with them on Montague Street
In a basement down the stairs,
There was music in the cafes at night
And revolution in the air.
Then he started into dealing with slaves
And something inside of him died.
She had to sell everything she owned
And froze up inside.
And when finally the bottom fell out
I became withdrawn,
The only thing I knew how to do
Was to keep on keepin' on like a bird that flew,
Tangled up in blue.
So now I'm goin' back again,
I got to get to her somehow.
All the people we used to know
They're an illusion to me now.
Some are mathematicians
Some are carpenter's wives.
Don't know how it all got started,
I don't know what they're doin' with their lives.
But me, I'm still on the road
Headin' for another joint
We always did feel the same,
We just saw it from a different point of view,
Tangled up in blue.
Copyright � 1974 Ram's Horn Music |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| Youth and being a part of the times. Songwriting was an explored art at the time as well. |
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PBRstreetgang21

Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Location: Orlando, FL--- serving as man's paean to medocrity since 1971!
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: |
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I don't know that Dylan still has another "Blood On The Tracks" or "Blonde on Blonde" in him, but he still churns out amazing work. His latest "Modern Times" has some truly good numbers in there, and I thought "Love and Theft" had some really greats songs as well. We'll see what his new album does when it hits shelves next week.
Yet one of the things that makes Dylan carry on it that he really has a way of making his songs relevant for ALL time. There are a number that are dated, but even more (especially the great one's) that are not.
30yrs from now (or even today) You'd have to explain to someone why Subterianean Homesick Blues is a great song. You will never have to explain to someone why "Tangled Up in Blue" is an amazing song, or "Blowin' In The Wind" for that matter. He writes songs about the most basic human emotions and concepts, and that is truly Timeless.
Part of why he has such a following and IS so beloved is because he writes about very simple basic everyday feelings in a extraordinarily lucid lines. He brings the most simple, mundae aspects of existence with a color and texture many song-writers and even poets and writers seem to struggle their whole lives and never do.
Im sure there were people in 1700s going (I wonder if 300yrs from now Shakespeare will be nothing more than a footnote?) He is certainly not.
2030? Wait till 2200, Bob Dylan will have his own Academic Journal published at Harvard.
The man shaped music in ways unimagined at his time, and I think at some level shapes music today. One of the greatest poets since Wallace Stevens and truly one of the most important America cultural figures since Walt Whitman. |
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runlikegump

Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Dylan is a poet, no doubt, but he's no Leonard Cohen. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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I would always listen to the opinion of other noted musicians on whether a guy is overated or not. They tend to have an informed opinion. They're in the business and they know how hard it is to write good songs.
The list of venerable names who rate Dylan as the best is very long indeed.
Although, for me personally, Van Morrison was better. But that's because I love soul music. Dylan never did soul.
Plus, Van made good albums right through the late 70's and 80's. Dylan didn't. Dylan has only recovered his form lately. Unfortunately, Van hasn't made a decent album since 1987. But his form up to then was better than Dylan's. |
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PBRstreetgang21

Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Location: Orlando, FL--- serving as man's paean to medocrity since 1971!
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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eh he did have a drought there in the early 80s but that was largely because he realesed three born-again christian albums. I think that had a significant dampering effect.
Infidels in 83 was not bad by Dylan standards, and not bad by Dylan standards is better than most artists pretty good.
In 89 with Oh Mercy he got his groove back. His drought period was rough but is over played. He didnt release a number of truly good albums (with the exception of Oh Mercy) but even his bad albums had some real gems. Brownsville Girl on Knocked out and Loaded (1986) was one of the best songs he ever wrote, and Jockerman was on infidels in 83. Plus Slow Train coming in 79 could be played in the states today and its social commentary would probably ring even MORE true than it did in 79.
It was certainly the lowest point of his career but it wasnt as bad as everyone makes it out to be. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Dylan's new album Tell Tale Signs is streaming for free on www.npr.com until this tuesday coming.
Two discs of outtakes & bootlegs spanning the last 20 years. Some great stuff. |
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