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EFLtrainer



Joined: 04 May 2005

PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
ontheway wrote:
All these election threads and no predictions...


While there are many posters who I simply cannot comprehend, you might just be the most incomprehensible.

I just cannot see how someone could come onto this thread and make such a complaint. Makes no sense to me whatsoever.


You just can't seem to help yourself. Pavlovian.

Anyone have any idea how he stretches that to complaint as opposed to observation or suggestion?
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I can give you two the benefit of the doubt and clarify. Perhaps I failed to specify that this thread was meant to track the upcoming midterm elections, beginning with (reliable) national polling data in the weeks leading up to it. I foolishly imagined that the title I selected covered such issues.

So, without further ado, here is your clarification:

quoted in my first post on this thread wrote:
Democrats Have Edge in November, NPR Poll Shows...[emphasis added]


quoted in Ya-ta Boy's response wrote:
I'm just chortling with glee about these election predictions...[emphasis added]


quoted in the ninth post on this thread, still page one wrote:
Yet another poll suggests probable Democratic victory next month...[emphasis added]


quoted on this thread's second page wrote:
A new bipartisan poll indicates that Democrats now dominate rural voters...[emphasis added]


Now, for those who have trouble comprehending words: the first, third, and final examples do not explicitly say "prediction" anywhere. But it is implicit.

So, again, how someone can come onto this thread, and complain, observe, or suggest that there are "no predictions" here is simply beyond my comprehension. It is even more baffling to see someone else come on board and defend that poster's righteousness out of nothing but personal animosity towards me.

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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The analytical items above do not constitute "predictions". Nor was I complaining, only observing. To say that so and so has an edge or seems to be leading or whatever does not constitute a prediction of an outcome. On the contrary, you could say that "so and so seems to be leading but I think that such and such will win in the end" is a prediction.

Of course, news writers and talking heads do not want to make actual predictions as being wrong will tend to erode their image and credibility. So they make general comments which cannot be disputed no matter what the outcome.

Finally, usually people observing elections have their own feeling about what the outcome of the election will be. Some people enjoy giving their own actual predictions, they even enjoy wagering on such predictions. It can be done on various games of chance, athletic and sporting events, games, and even elections. Usually you need some actual numerical values to be placed as to a prediction of the outcome. Only Mithridates' chart on the first page gives some numerical values, but this is intended to be analysis and to show trends and tendencies. Analysts do not want to be wrong so they don't make predictions.

So, does anyone else have any actual numerical predictions of their own of what the outcome of the elections will be next Tuesday? How many seats will change hands and which party will have control of each house of Congress?
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFLtrainer wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061020/ap_on_re_us/maryland_voting_machines

Quote:
Mailed disks raise voting machine fears 2 hours, 14 minutes ago

ANNAPOLIS, Md. - Disks containing what appears to be software code used in Maryland's touchscreen voting machines in 2004 were delivered anonymously to a former state legislator, raising fresh concerns about the reliability of the voting system.

Former Democratic Delegate Cheryl Kagan, a critic of the paperless electronic machines, said she spoke Thursday with the FBI after the disks were delivered to her office.

An anonymous note said the disks had been "accidentally picked up" in the state election board offices.

Ross Goldstein, deputy elections administrator, said the disks did not belong to the state board, but he said that the software was used in the 2004 election...


It's feasible they originated from a flying saucer... Very Happy
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nevermind. Not worth it.

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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Overall current status

Judging by this data, and with the House a virtual lock (pseudo-prediction, but more just observation of widespread reporting and anlysis/predictions), the places to watch most closely are the close Senate races. Having already lost the House, the GOP should focus their efforts on the Senate to avoid total loss of control. Missouri, Virginia and Montana, with Ohio, Maryland and N.J. tossed in, seem to be the key points in this election at this point.

Tennessee and Arizona worth slight attention, suppose.
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's well ahead, but I suppose this might turn off enough women voters to tighten the race..

Quote:
Election Rarity: Paper Rescinds Endorsement

By E&P Staff

Published: November 03, 2006 12:10 AM ET

NEW YORK It takes a lot for it to happen, but as one editorial stated today, "There's a time when you have to say, enough."

Once a candidate for office gets a newspaper's nod, he or she rarely loses it -- at least for a current race. But knock your spouse around and you may be on thin ice.

That's the lesson of a rare case in New York, where the Glens Falls daily pulled back its support for Rep. John Sweeney, a Republican in a very tough re-election fight. The Albany Times-Union and New York's Daily News revealed this week that Sweeney's wife had made a 911 call summoning police because her husband was dragging her around their house. He denied it, then admitted something happened that night, promised to enable documents to be released, then refused to do that.

Here's the Post-Star's editorial.
*

There's a time when you have to say, enough. Here is one such time.

Serious allegations of domestic violence were raised against Congressman John Sweeney earlier this week after three newspapers published police accounts of a 911 call to his home in December.

The congressman has said he wants the truth to come out. But his actions in the wake of the incident and the disclosure of the 911 call in the media indicate otherwise.

The congressman's staff first responded to the police report on Wednesday by claiming the document was "fabricated" and "concocted" by an unnamed operative in the campaign of his opponent, Kirsten Gillibrand.

On Thursday, the congressman changed his story, admitting that there had been some kind of incident at his home that night, but that it wasn't as the police report in the media said it was.

///

"It is a non-issue, and only you people made it an issue because it's salacious," the congressman told Times-Union editors.

We don't think it's a non-issue. And we're sure many of our readers don't either...

The congressman's curt dismissal of the domestic violence incident as a "non-issue" demonstrates that he either doesn't understand the seriousness of this matter as it relates to his role as a member of Congress, or that he simply hopes to divert attention from it so he can win the election.

In our editorial endorsing the congressman for re-election last Sunday, we pointed out the many flaws in Congressman Sweeney's character, including his accompanying lobbyists to exotic locations, fabricating lies about his political opponents, and using poor judgement in attending frat parties. We said voters should take those factors into consideration, but that the congressman's record in helping secure funding for his district and voting in Republican interests overrode concerns about his unofficial conduct.

His response to this incident reflects disturbingly not only on his character, but on his credibility to serve effectively as a representative of all the people...

Given this situation and Congressman Sweeney's unacceptable response to it, we can no longer stand behind our earlier endorsement of his candidacy.
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
I guess I can give you two the benefit of the doubt and clarify. Perhaps I failed to specify that this thread was meant to track the upcoming midterm elections, beginning with (reliable) national polling data in the weeks leading up to it. I foolishly imagined that the title I selected covered such issues.

So, without further ado, here is your clarification:

quoted in my first post on this thread wrote:
Democrats Have Edge in November, NPR Poll Shows...[emphasis added]


quoted in Ya-ta Boy's response wrote:
I'm just chortling with glee about these election predictions...[emphasis added]


quoted in the ninth post on this thread, still page one wrote:
Yet another poll suggests probable Democratic victory next month...[emphasis added]


quoted on this thread's second page wrote:
A new bipartisan poll indicates that Democrats now dominate rural voters...[emphasis added]


Now, for those who have trouble comprehending words: the first, third, and final examples do not explicitly say "prediction" anywhere. But it is implicit.

So, again, how someone can come onto this thread, and complain, observe, or suggest that there are "no predictions" here is simply beyond my comprehension. It is even more baffling to see someone else come on board and defend that poster's righteousness out of nothing but personal animosity towards me.

Welcome to Dave's ESL Cafe.


You are seriously losing it. You don't even make sense anymore.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CNN's live coverage of election returns will begin at 9PM Wednesday (local time here in Korea).

I'm not going to make a specific prediction--don't want to jinx the outcome. I'm just an English teacher here in Korea. I'm interested in the overall outcome. (My congressional district is a safe Republican district Sad )

This is late Sunday morning. It's unlikely there will be any more scandals or international incidents that will have an impact on the election. Now it's up to things like voter complacency: My party is going to win/lose no matter what I do, so I don't need to vote...I'm too busy getting the kids off to school before I go to work so I can't vote early and I'm too tired/busy after work...It's raining and cold. I don't want to stand in a long line just to vote...; effectiveness of grass-roots organizations at the precinct level; level of election fraud; level of voter passion...etc.

So I won't make a prediction, but I will say: Here's hoping the Republican Party crashes and burns on Tuesday.


EDIT/DISCLAIMER/WARNING

Not all of us are fully conversant with GMT and CNN program time listings and all the rest of that kind of thing. You might want to check out the time for yourself. (Milwaukiedave says it is AM, not PM. He may be right. There's a good chance of it.


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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And that the Democrats/Independents/others have the fortitude to apply the law to these usurpers. And, more importantly, that the people don't allow them to become complacent and start a bunch of, "Let bygones be bygones" crap. Heads need to roll. Investigations made. Voting processes secured. Truth told.

It's up to us to apply that pressure and hold ALL members of government accountable. But, we must first hold ourselves accountable and demand change.
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFLtrainer wrote:
Overall current status


Currently looking at a 51 - 49 advantage. Not clear where Lieberman is on that. I assume Dem, but on Iraq he belongs in the Red column.

Quote:
Senate Polls
As we move into the final 3 days of the campaign, we have some surprising changes in the polls. Montana, which looked like an easy win for Democrat Jon Tester over Sen. Conrad Burns (R-MT), a close ally of disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff, is getting much closer. A new Mason-Dixon poll says it is tied at 47% each.

On the other hand, New Jersey, which had been close, is no longer. Incumbent Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ) has a comfortable lead of 50% to 42% according to a new Marist College poll. Similar, Bob Corker is pulling away from Harold Ford in Tennessee, with a lead of 50% to 38% according to Mason-Dixon.

The two races that will determine control of the Senate are Virginia and Missouri. The Democrats need to win both to control the Senate. Both are virtually tied.



Quote:
Projected New House*: 239 Democrats 196 Republicans
* Where no independent polls exist, the 2004 election results have been used. See complete House polls.

Dem pickups: AZ-05 AZ-08 CA-11 CO-07 CT-02 CT-04 CT-05 FL-13 FL-16 FL-22 IA-01 ID-01 IL-06 IL-10 IN-02 IN-08 KY-03 KY-04 NC-08 NC-11 NM-01 NY-19 NY-20 NY-24 NY-25 NY-29 OH-01 OH-02 OH-15 OH-18 PA-06 PA-07 PA-08 PA-10 TX-22 WI-08

GOP pickups: 0
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some nice stats here:

Coldheartedtruth's Predictions

Senate:

R 50
D 48
I 2

House:

R 214
D 221
I 0


Washington Times multi-page article:

Democrats, on the Offensive, Could Gain Both Houses

Quote:

By Dan Balz and David S. Broder
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, November 5, 2006; Page A01

Two days before a bitterly fought midterm election, Democrats have moved into position to recapture the House and have laid siege to the Senate, setting the stage for a dramatic recasting of the power structure in Washington for President Bush's final two years in office, according to a Washington Post analysis of competitive races across the country.

In the battle for the House, Democrats appear almost certain to pick up more than the 15 seats needed to regain the majority. Republicans virtually concede 10 seats, and a split of the 30 tossup races would add an additional 15 to the Democratic column.

The Senate poses a tougher challenge for Democrats, who need to gain six seats to take control of that chamber. A three-seat gain is almost assured, but they would have to find the other three seats from four states considered to have tossup races -- Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Montana.

///

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows some narrowing in the Democratic advantage in House races. The survey gives the Democrats a six-percentage-point lead nationally among likely voters asked which party they prefer for Congress. It was 14 points two weeks ago, but this remains a larger advantage than they have had in recent midterm elections.

///

Rep. Rahm Emamuel (D-Ill.), chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, stopped short of predicting that Democrats will take the House, but said: "I'm playing defense in one or two districts and offense in 46. I like those odds. I'd rather be us than them."

Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman predicted his party will retain majorities in both the House and Senate. "The Senate is in a better place than it was a week ago," he said, noting that GOP candidates in several of the closest races have improved their positions. "I think that the House remains very competitive," he added, pointing to a strong turnout operation that could save many incumbents in tossup races.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote




Why Do So Few People Vote In The U.S.?
By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer
Sun Nov 5, 12:31 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Government of the people, by the people, will be missing a lot of people Election Day.

It's a persistent riddle in a country that thinks of itself as the beacon of democracy.

Why do so few "share the light"?


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061105/ap_on_el_ge/voting_in_america ... etc ...
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Larry King is about as worthless a use of the public airwaves as any program going, but he occasionally does book a guest worth listening to. Even stopped clocks...

Anyway, tonight he had David Gergen, who is always worth listening to and James Carville, who is a hoot when he isn't enlightening, among some others.

At the end, Carville (Clinton's strategist in '92) made a fascinating comment that deserved much more time. He said the Republicans are in danger of becoming a regional party. I can't quote him word for word, but the gist was that if the Dems take the northern Senate/House races that are toss-ups at this point, then it would indicate the GOP has lost its attraction outside its core base.

He wasn't saying it would happen, just that that is one possibility. It made me smile.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
CNN's live coverage of election returns will begin at 9PM Wednesday (local time here in Korea).


Ya-ta Boy, don't you mean 9am Korean time?

I'll be in class all morning, so I'll miss most of the coverage. The only nice thing is the polls in Oregon close at 1pm Korean time, which is when my classes end. I'll be checking as often as I can between classes though.
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