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mindmetoo
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You know what buddy...you are such an hypocrite. Seriously, is there anything that you stand for that is righteous? You, of all people, should understand what I am trying to get at here. I am not trying to defend the guy, but I am standing for a free press that is not based upon bias that is blinded by its own agenda. We live in a dangerous time and its unfortunate that MM2 and his ilk are the taskmaster's puppets.
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Yeah I'm the f'in' devil. From my POV, being we're both Canadians, I sure as hell don't want this kind of idiocy imported into my country by the likes of you: People giving political power to lying scum bags who use a document without an amending formula, a document that has been used to accord women no more rights than my mousepad. This isn't a good thing. It's not good for my nation to have these kinds of power hungry scum bags put into power by the likes of uncritical bible thumpers like you. "Oh look at my purdy mouth! Here's some biblical justification to get your hate on. Now give me 10% of your income so I can blow it on meth and oral."
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=100742
In my country there's a place at the table for science and all religions. In your country, there's your biblical truth and the rest are going to burn in hell. Tell us again how mountain people in Pakistan are going to burn in hell because they've not gotten themselves to a PC Bang to find out about Jesus and be saved. Tell us again how mountain people in Pakistan in 1953 somehow could hear about Jesus and they're burning in hell because they didn't accept Jesus as their personal savior. Tell us again, with the chest thumping pride, how Jesus calls you to such a higher, more noble path (which I guess now includes meth and gay sex, baby!).
And you can't tell me Benny Hinn doesn't smoke the meat pole either. C'mon. That guy is so next.
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:05 pm Post subject: re: |
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| This problem should have been seen years ago and dealt with internally within the church, rather than it manifesting to this level |
But when someone is made to feel ashamed of who they truly are they have to hide...and they become very skilled at hiding and deceiving because if they were to live honestly, they would not be accepted by their church. Manifesting to this level? He finally got caught in his web of lies.
The problem is the church alright. |
I half agree with this. I agree that people are ashamed of bringing their problems to others because they will be dealt with treacherously. So instead of dealing with the sin in its early stages and getting others to help them, they hide it until it comes out like it has in this example. |
Someone is who someone is--there's no "fixing" being gay. Once the more homophobic churches get that through their heads and dish out some acceptance there won't be "scandals" like this anymore. |
It's exactly why he has taken such a hit. If he was speaking out against anything else, than this wouldn't be newsworthy, but because he was speaking out against homosexuality, then he's frontline news all the way to the election. The democrats are riding their golden boy.
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| As much as I hate to admit it, this post has had me laughing for the last five minutes. |
You know what buddy...you are such an hypocrite. Seriously, is there anything that you stand for that is righteous? You, of all people, should understand what I am trying to get at here. I am not trying to defend the guy, but I am standing for a free press that is not based upon bias that is blinded by its own agenda. We live in a dangerous time and its unfortunate that MM2 and his ilk are the taskmaster's puppets.
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Come on, have a sense of humor. You mean to tell me that you did not find the last sentence in his post at all amusing? If not, you need to lighten up a bit. I feel for Haggard and his family, but the humor of that last sentence just cannot escape me. Sorry if that makes me a hypocrite~
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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You know what buddy...you are such an hypocrite. Seriously, is there anything that you stand for that is righteous? You, of all people, should understand what I am trying to get at here. I am not trying to defend the guy, but I am standing for a free press that is not based upon bias that is blinded by its own agenda. We live in a dangerous time and its unfortunate that MM2 and his ilk are the taskmaster's puppets.
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Yeah I'm the f'in' devil. From my POV, being we're both Canadians, I sure as hell don't want this kind of idiocy imported into my country by the likes of you: People giving political power to lying scum bags who use a document without an amending formula, a document that has been used to accord women no more rights than my mousepad. This isn't a good thing. It's not good for my nation to have these kinds of power hungry scum bags put into power by the likes of uncritical bible thumpers like you. "Oh look at my purdy mouth! Here's some biblical justification to get your hate on. Now give me 10% of your income so I can blow it on meth and oral."
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=100742
In my country there's a place at the table for science and all religions. In your country, there's your biblical truth and the rest are going to burn in hell. Tell us again how mountain people in Pakistan are going to burn in hell because they've not gotten themselves to a PC Bang to find out about Jesus and be saved. Tell us again how mountain people in Pakistan in 1953 somehow could hear about Jesus and they're burning in hell because they didn't accept Jesus as their personal savior. Tell us again, with the chest thumping pride, how Jesus calls you to such a higher, more noble path (which I guess now includes meth and gay sex, baby!).
And you can't tell me Benny Hinn doesn't smoke the meat pole either. C'mon. That guy is so next. |
MMT, my husband roared with laughter about the "Twinkish Associate" in that blogger's piece....Mr Canuckistan served with him years ago at Ft Carson and said he was one strangee guy. Even though he was a lieutenant, he didn't act like one...often leaving the men under his command behind whatever they were doing--they had to go looking for him--usually to find him sipping coffee in the Dunkin' Donuts. He didn't stay very long in the military. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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Come on, have a sense of humor. You mean to tell me that you did not find the last sentence in his post at all amusing? If not, you need to lighten up a bit. I feel for Haggard and his family, but the humor of that last sentence just cannot escape me. Sorry if that makes me a hypocrite~
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It seems that you try to work overtime to appease the more popular side than taking a stand for the truth. On numerous occasions you have chimed in to voice your consent to the overwhelming majority rather than standing for what you know is truth. Maybe, I am not familar enough with your writings, but it seems that you love to please people more than you love to stand for truth. I would love to see the courage that God has given you to rise up in you.
This thread is difficult because it based on such a contentious and loser topic, a hypocrite who was a huge critic of homosexuals. It's a huge loser because he is an easy target and people are using it for their hate. However, even a man like this isn't beyond God's grace and you of all people should understand this. Did you read MM2 thread on Haggard? It's disgraceful and filled with horrible references to homosexuality.
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Lovely. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Sure they go around the world offering assistance with one hand and the bible with the other. It's all to further the christian ideology. It's no more "good work" than BMW telling the world the air bags are put in cars out of their concern for customers we'll being. It's a selling point, that's all. |
laiog. This is that attitude I'm talking about.
My parents aren't doing their relief work to "further the christian ideology". They are doing it to help people, but, seeing as that they are Christians (for some reason) they can't be trusted as doing a good work to help people on an individual level.
It seems to me that this attitude smacks of the self righteousness of the accuser.
If I'm wrong though, pardons.
And I'm not sure why people complain that ANYONE is doing this...at least it's getting done.
Personally, I wouldn't care WHO goes to The Sudan and distributes seeds and farm tools in refugee camps. I'm just happy that someone is doing it. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Sure they go around the world offering assistance with one hand and the bible with the other. It's all to further the christian ideology. It's no more "good work" than BMW telling the world the air bags are put in cars out of their concern for customers we'll being. It's a selling point, that's all. |
laiog. This is that attitude I'm talking about.
My parents aren't doing their relief work to "further the christian ideology". They are doing it to help people, but, seeing as that they are Christians (for some reason) they can't be trusted as doing a good work to help people on an individual level.
It seems to me that this attitude smacks of the self righteousness of the accuser.
If I'm wrong though, pardons.
And I'm not sure why people complain that ANYONE is doing this...at least it's getting done.
Personally, I wouldn't care WHO goes to The Sudan and distributes seeds and farm tools in refugee camps. I'm just happy that someone is doing it. |
Could they distribute condoms too? |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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Come on, have a sense of humor. You mean to tell me that you did not find the last sentence in his post at all amusing? If not, you need to lighten up a bit. I feel for Haggard and his family, but the humor of that last sentence just cannot escape me. Sorry if that makes me a hypocrite~
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It seems that you try to work overtime to appease the more popular side than taking a stand for the truth. On numerous occasions you have chimed in to voice your consent to the overwhelming majority rather than standing for what you know is truth. Maybe, I am not familar enough with your writings, but it seems that you love to please people more than you love to stand for truth. I would love to see the courage that God has given you to rise up in you.
This thread is difficult because it based on such a contentious and loser topic, a hypocrite who was a huge critic of homosexuals. It's a huge loser because he is an easy target and people are using it for their hate. However, even a man like this isn't beyond God's grace and you of all people should understand this. Did you read MM2 thread on Haggard? It's disgraceful and filled with horrible references to homosexuality.
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| Ted Haggard turned out to be a meth-fueled q*ueer bag. |
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| And the more they repress themselves, the gayer the place will get. Gay as an ugly-a*ss s*hitbox full of self-hating, closeted f*aggot birds. |
Lovely. |
You're partially correct: I love people more than I love my concept of truth.
Peace |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Well,
- farmers who've just had their whole crop washed away and animals drowned
- mothers who've watched soldiers kill 6 of her 7 kids
- malnurished, and dehydrated folks
- home/landless wondering peasants
aren't really too concerned about condoms and sex. They have bigger concerns you know, like food, clothes, shelter, tools, land, seed, irrigation, building materials.
I'm sure they WOULD distribute condoms but middle america and her high schools don't really have the problems that post flood Mozambiquers do. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Sure they go around the world offering assistance with one hand and the bible with the other. It's all to further the christian ideology. It's no more "good work" than BMW telling the world the air bags are put in cars out of their concern for customers we'll being. It's a selling point, that's all. |
laiog. This is that attitude I'm talking about.
My parents aren't doing their relief work to "further the christian ideology". They are doing it to help people, but, seeing as that they are Christians (for some reason) they can't be trusted as doing a good work to help people on an individual level.
It seems to me that this attitude smacks of the self righteousness of the accuser.
If I'm wrong though, pardons.
And I'm not sure why people complain that ANYONE is doing this...at least it's getting done.
Personally, I wouldn't care WHO goes to The Sudan and distributes seeds and farm tools in refugee camps. I'm just happy that someone is doing it. |
First, I didn't say that. But anyone who calls themselves Evangelicals (you should move this to the correct thread), is automatically untrustworthy. The word itself is saying there is an ulterior motive. And for the bolded part, you are full of sh!t. You would complain if Muslims were going around doing the same thing, especially in your communitiy, let alone with the children.
Stop using your parents and crappy arguments like that to detract from this point, which you still haven't answered (I swear, I am getting really sick of arguing with Christians, they just consistently gloss over everything). Why can't you have a soup kitchen with a sermon after if people want to find out about God? Why do you have to do it during, that your message is so pathetic that you have to force hungry people to listen to it just to eat? Again, that's the exact same kind of thing the devil is supposed to do. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Well,
- farmers who've just had their whole crop washed away and animals drowned
- mothers who've watched soldiers kill 6 of her 7 kids
- malnurished, and dehydrated folks
- home/landless wondering peasants
aren't really too concerned about condoms and sex. They have bigger concerns you know, like food, clothes, shelter, tools, land, seed, irrigation, building materials.
I'm sure they WOULD distribute condoms but middle america and her high schools don't really have the problems that post flood Mozambiquers do. |
The non spreading of condoms kills more people than any disaster. Hunger, war, pestilence, etc are caused by too many people (children) and there is not enough money to feed and educate everybody, because they keep having more children. They would have less need for shelter, tools, land, seeds, etc. Can't you see that? That is why your ignorance is so dangerous. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| First, I didn't say that |
Let me apologize off the bat. I didn't mean to imply I was talking to you. I was sorta pointing out that happenningthang had the attitude that (while YOU didn't exhibit) I was worried xtian (generally, not specifically Evangelical) haters may have.
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| Why can't you have a soup kitchen with a sermon after if people want to find out about God? Why do you have to do it during, that your message is so pathetic that you have to force hungry people to listen to it just to eat? |
My church has an agreement with a government sponsored soup kitchen. People go into the soup kitchen and volunteer once a week.
There is no sermon.
So, I suppose I'm telling you that these "listen before food" situations DO exist, but they aren't the exclusive example of Christians being charitable. I also agree with you that they aren't really being charitable and, in fact, being manipulative and dishonest.
I'm not Evangelical and have never really identified with that denomination. I think that faith is a private matter and, for the most part, is best kept to oneself (a...uh....little bit different from the evangelicals).
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And for the bolded part, you are full of *beep*. You would complain if Muslims were going around doing the same thing, especially in your communitiy, let alone with the children.
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I'm not full of shit. I'm not fitting into your little stereotype, that's all.
If my community needs something to get done, I am happy when ANYONE does it...i don't care if Satanists do it...I really don't.
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| The non spreading of condoms kills more people than any disaster. Hunger, war, pestilence, etc are caused by too many people (children) and there is not enough money to feed and educate everybody, because they keep having more children. They would have less need for shelter, tools, land, seeds, etc. Can't you see that? That is why your ignorance is so dangerous. |
In Africa, they have that many children because parents believe that in order for any of their offspring to survive they have to have a lot of them: They feel it's an odds game.
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| They would have less need for shelter, tools, land, seeds, etc. Can't you see that? That is why your ignorance is so dangerous |
But who will look after them when they are old? Forget the idea that they need a lot of offspring to ensure their survival, they need a lot offspring to ensure that, in their old age, they will be able to be clothed and fed.
But, if you are worried about population control, then talk about India.
Condom distribution is done in Africa for the expressed purpose of stopping the spread of AIDS.
As best as I know (though please prove me wrong) population control in Africa isn't really a big issue.
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The non spreading of condoms kills more people than any disaster |
I'm not going to be condescending but you mean the USE of condoms right? Because giving away condoms does not mean that they will be used.
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| They would have less need for shelter, tools, land, seeds, etc. Can't you see that? That is why your ignorance is so dangerous. |
I can understand it, but I don't think you are right: At least of what I have heard of Africa.
Since you DO seem to want to talk about population control though, I think that India is the better framework for this discussion.
unfortunately, my computer randomly turns off for no reason, so I can't go about lookin' for sources and information without losing this post.
If you have the patience to get into a debate on this topic with me, I'm more than willing. If not, sorry. |
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ED209
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Well shouldn't it be their decision if they use a condom or not? |
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laogaiguk
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First, you asked earlier, "What's wrong with free food with a sermon?" That is what I was responding to. I am glad we have clarified that. If not, let me know, honestly, but I think we both agree sermon during food is wrong.
Second, I hate Evangelicals only. I dislike all organized religions, but am not stupid enough to say people shouldn't have them. I am even for free speech, they can offer their beliefs to people, even me. But don't prey on the needy or infirm and don't bother people.
For Africa,
Population is a major factor. What do you think causes most of the wars anywhere and anytime in history? Lack of resources. It's always lack of resources that causes wars (whatever they use as an excuse is usually just a side factor, though can factor into things, I have studied a lot of military history).
What we need to do is educate them, and anyone preaching Christianity is doing the exact opposite, especially with laws like using no birth control. We need to make condoms free and available. Some would start to use them. Even if they all don't, just a few will help alleviate the build up there.
And they are having too many children. If you tell them it will prevent AIDS, it will garner even more support (even if many still don't use them, it's better than nothing). But most missionaries now are actively persuading people not to use them. That is insane. I am talking about population control in the sense of Africa. No need to bring India into it. India is a totally different ballgame, and Hinduism is worse than Christianity for ignorance.
To prove you wrong, check out "Collapse: by Jared Diamond." Population is a huge factor. The amount of arable farm land is pathetic in many countries. |
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khyber
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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MY FU@%*ING COMPUTER<<<<YARG!
I'm keeping this one a bit short. sorry.
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First, you asked earlier, "What's wrong with free food with a sermon?" That is what I was responding to. I am glad we have clarified that. If not, let me know, honestly, but I think we both agree sermon during food is wrong.
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Yes, I agree.
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don't agree, but we can work past that.
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Population is a major factor. What do you think causes most of the wars anywhere and anytime in history? Lack of resources. It's always lack of resources that causes wars (whatever they use as an excuse is usually just a side factor, though can factor into things, I have studied a lot of military history). |
Resource wars...agreed.
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| What we need to do is educate them |
I was a little confused by this. What do you mean by "educate"? Usually when material is given to beneficiaries, they are also given instruction + information about the material (esp. if they are unaware of it's usage). But I have a feeling you're refering to something else. What is that?
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| But most missionaries now are actively persuading people not to use them. |
1) Missionaries are not the same as relief workers and, as far as I know, most denominations keep those activities in different organizations. 2) As far as I know, Catholics are the ONLY one who subscribe to the whole "no birthcontrol" rule. I'm not going to get into that discussion because frankly, I think it's antiquated and ridiculous.
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Some would start to use them. Even if they all don't, just a few will help alleviate the build up there.
And they are having too many children. If you tell them it will prevent AIDS, it will garner even more support (even if many still don't use them, it's better than nothing) |
I know you don't want to hear about my parents so I hope you'll excuse this but...
when my parents were last in Africa, they had a cook who was slowly dying of AIDS. She told them that, even amongst her friends NO ONE talks about AIDS over there. People with AIDS are immediately disowned by everyone (I believe this was in Mozambique). Condoms also carry old stigmas "*beep*" or cause doubt as to the safety of a certain sex partner so some men choose not to use condoms.
BUT...I agree with you, this IS anecdotal evidence and condom use is the BEST method to reduce the spread of AIDS in Africa. From what I remember hearing the number of people with AIDS HAS been lessening in recent years (like, the last two).
Is that right?
As for population control in Africa, I'll have to get back to you...the computer dying thing. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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Did you read MM2 thread on Haggard? It's disgraceful and filled with horrible references to homosexuality.
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| Ted Haggard turned out to be a meth-fueled q*ueer bag. |
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| And the more they repress themselves, the gayer the place will get. Gay as an ugly-a*ss s*hitbox full of self-hating, closeted f*aggot birds. |
Lovely. |
Who are you quoting, St Peter? I didn't write that.
I do suggest Benny Hinn probably swallows meat pole, however. |
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