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Adventurer

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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:27 am Post subject: |
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I do not know enough about Obama to really make a comprehensive political judgement. I just know that his father was born a Kenyan moderate who studied in Hawaii and married a woman from Kansas and Barak Obama was a product of this union. He sounds very articulate and moderate. He seems to be consistent in his position, someone who works hard and is a good-getter.
He seems frank about matters. Many people have done drugs. We are not perfect. I frankly don't really care that much if Bill Clinton smoked marijuana or Bush took coke or Obama did as much as
I care about their honesty, their ability to articulate their views in a way that is not divisive, and they are not proud of the bad things they did, but they also realize we are all human beings. He seems to be very different than so many African American politicians. The fact that he is
part African is interesting. Maybe he will be a positive African American political symbol just as Colin Powell has been to many including myself. I
I still have a lot of respect for Colin Powell. We need politicians who are candid and balanced. I also think McCain is of good character, but he disappointed me in certain areas.
He is a refreshing face....
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:27 am Post subject: |
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Adventurer:
Well put, and isn't it more than coincidence that Powell has Jamaican black roots while Obama has Kenyan.
Many clueless liberal American black leaders like to push the notion that they're the same as their African brethren. Every African student I've met finds that amazingly presumptuous and arrogant. What white American, whose immigrant forefathers came from Germany, let's say, would claim to be German? It's part of that Afrocentric mumbo-jumbo in the schools now.
At Texas Southern University in Houston many African students disassociate themseleves from the local blacks, finding them uncouth and often unmotivated to learn. This is of course also making dangerous generalizations, but I think Obama's genuine African roots could work in his favor if he doesn't allow himself to be swayed by the likes of Sharpton and other ambulance chasers. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Obama wasn't even in the Senate when the war began. He was elected in 2004 and his first vote there was on the confirmation of Rice (if I remember rightly) back in 2005.
By 2005 the war was quite unpopular and Obama was right on the bandwagon with the rest of them. |
Obama was on the campaign trail in 2003 speaking out against the war, at the time when everyone in Washington (Dems and Repubs alike) had already voted to send troops to Iraq the year before and were still standing behind that decision.
But don't just make stuff up... |
Obama was campaigning in 2004 not 2003 (as I understand)
And I was unable to find a single speech of his in 2003 when he (or so you claim) came out against the war. Links please? |
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Gamecock

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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Obama was campaigning in 2004 not 2003 (as I understand)
And I was unable to find a single speech of his in 2003 when he (or so you claim) came out against the war. Links please? |
Wow! Your research skills are amazing! This took me about 8 seconds to find via google:
http://usliberals.about.com/od/extraordinaryspeeches/a/Obama2002War.htm
It is the full text of his 2002 speech given as a member of the Illinois state senate. Sorry to disappoint ya. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Obama was campaigning in 2004 not 2003 (as I understand)
And I was unable to find a single speech of his in 2003 when he (or so you claim) came out against the war. Links please? |
Wow! Your research skills are amazing! . |
They are aren't they? On the other hand you might want to check those reading skills. I said 2003 not 2002.
And I noticed you didn't address the campaigning issue... but thanks for the link nevertheless. |
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Gamecock

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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Umm, he continued in the same vein in his speeches throughout 2003 up until the election in 2004...
You can be petty about semantics or admit you were WRONG in your initial claim that Obama just followed his party and jumped on the anti-war bandwagon when the war was unpopular in 2005. That's the point. I think there's no further point in debating this issue. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Umm, he continued in the same vein in his speeches throughout 2003 up until the election in 2004...
(1) You can be petty about semantics or admit you were WRONG in your initial claim that Obama just followed his party and jumped on the anti-war bandwagon when the war was unpopular in 2005. That's the point. I think there's no further point in debating this issue. |
How is giving the correct YEAR being petty about semantics? The point was I was unable to find a speech given by Obama in 2003 (the year YOU claimed he was on the campaign trail). You made some snide remark about my research skills and then pulled up a speech made in the preceeding year.
Oh and Obama was NOT the only one against the war. The decision to go to war against Iraq had a number of Senators voting against the war. Your claim that everyone was standing behind this decision is simply not true. That's also what I was taking issue with.
I do however agree with your statement that there is no further point in debating this issue. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:04 am Post subject: |
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Umm, he continued in the same vein in his speeches throughout 2003 up until the election in 2004...
(1) You can be petty about semantics or admit you were WRONG in your initial claim that Obama just followed his party and jumped on the anti-war bandwagon when the war was unpopular in 2005. That's the point. I think there's no further point in debating this issue. |
How is giving the correct YEAR being petty about semantics? The point was I was unable to find a speech given by Obama in 2003 (the year YOU claimed he was on the campaign trail). You made some snide remark about my research skills and then pulled up a speech made in the preceeding year.
Oh and Obama was NOT the only one against the war. The decision to go to war against Iraq had a number of Senators voting against the war. Your claim that everyone was standing behind this decision is simply not true. That's also what I was taking issue with.
I do however agree with your statement that there is no further point in debating this issue. |
Would a quote do? Don't forget he was Mister Unknown in 2003 so for every quote in 2003 you can be sure there are a number of others that never made it into the news.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=533
03/31/2003
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| "Blacks are not willing to feel obliged to support the president's agenda," explains Illinois state Sen. Barack Obama. "They are much more likely to feel that (Bush) is engaging in disruptive policies at home and using the war as a means of shielding himself from criticism on his domestic agenda." |
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MissSeoul
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Hillary nor Barack can win. Period. |
Anybody, but no Hillary |
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Milwaukiedave
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Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| Whatever you say Otis. |
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thepeel
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Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:39 am Post subject: |
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Who cares. Americans love their coke.
It is time to ignore the Fox News crew and their meaningless moralizing. |
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shifter2009

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Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| Poor Obama, I don't think people will vote for him just based on his name. Like other people have said, its a shame but probably true. What the Democrats need to do is go themselves a southern boy canidate. They are winners for the party, last democrat president we had who wasn't a southern got shot in the south. I could be wrong, but I believe in going with what works. |
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