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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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Anyone ever notice this guy never states his position is incorrect, or that he has learned something from someone on these boards, but makes an amazing number of statements about others' incorrect info/assumptions, etc.??
What a joke. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
It seems to me that in the case of climate change, it's been the left who were the realists and right who have been the little wild-unbridled-capitalism-will-save-us-all-so-let's-ignore-the-damage-we're-wreaking-on-the-planet utopianists.
The right are only now beginning to acknowledge the reality of climate change. |
It's a bit like creationists who now admit evolution does go on. But just not to the extent science says it does. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:18 am Post subject: |
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The way to spur development in alternative fuels/energy sources is the free market.
The more people that drive cars, the more expensive oil becomes, the more likely we are to see breakthroughs/investment in new technologies. |
Sometimes the free market needs incentives. Just the way cigarettes are overtaxed to reduce consumption and pay for tobacco-related health expenses, so too should be fossil fuels. The government has never been above intervening in the free market when it is in the best interest of the country. Never. If we were completely in a 100% free market society, we wouldn't need a FED chairman to contol interest rates because the market would control them.
We have oil companies making the largest profits ever and people paying more than ever for gas and the technology to counter that phenomenon is being blocked at every turn by, you guessed it, oil companies. Why shouldn't the government tax the hell out of Exxon like it does Phillip Morris? That money could be used to delvelop the technologies that will make the U.S. competitive throughout the 21st century and beyond. Oil is going to end, and without the necessary R&D the United States will fall along with the rest of the world. |
Dude, oil is taxed, just like cigarettes, AT THE STATE level. Some states have higher taxes, some have lower. Along the Indiana/Illinois state line, there are gigantic gas stations (on the Indiana side) cause taxes are lower.
In EVERY YEAR of the Bush administration, RECORD AMOUNTS of SOLAR, WIND, and BIOFUEL ENERGY have been produced.
To think that the government is somehow going to come up with solutions is ludicrous.
Recently BP (British Petroleum) just gave 100,000,000 US to 2 universities to study solar and cellulosic energy production.
I trust greedy businesses to come up with new technology a whole lot more than the government.
Call me naive, if you will. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
| Dude, oil is taxed, just like cigarettes, AT THE STATE level. Some states have higher taxes, some have lower. Along the Indiana/Illinois state line, there are gigantic gas stations (on the Indiana side) cause taxes are lower. |
Where does the money go? I specifically remember typing that the money should be used for R&D, not highway projects...
| Pligganease wrote: |
| That money could be used to delvelop the technologies that will make the U.S. competitive throughout the 21st century and beyond. |
Yep, I did. Also what is the percentage tax difference between oil and cigarettes? FYI, it's big. Also, I'm suggesting that the oil companies be taxed more, since most of the revenue goes out of the country anyway.
| sundubuman wrote: |
| In EVERY YEAR of the Bush administration, RECORD AMOUNTS of SOLAR, WIND, and BIOFUEL ENERGY have been produced. |
Record numbers....
If I create one more kilowatt every year it would be a record, and I'm betting that that all of the power combined wouldn't amount to much.
| sundubuman wrote: |
| To think that the government is somehow going to come up with solutions is ludicrous. |
Well, this government anyway.
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| Recently BP (British Petroleum) just gave 100,000,000 US to 2 universities to study solar and cellulosic energy production. |
Really? $100,000,000? Wow, that was a great tax write off that was designed to give people like you a warm and fuzzy feeling inside. But, a tax write-off was all it was.
| sundubuman wrote: |
I trust greedy businesses to come up with new technology a whole lot more than the government.
Call me naive, if you will. |
You're naive. |
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