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Why are there so many shootings in America?
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Fresh Prince



Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If people were required to complete gun training courses and mental health exams before purchasing firearms, would that help?
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trigger123



Joined: 08 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no.

reason 1.
too many guns already out there. gun amnesties, followed by change in constitution and law to make owning firearms illegal, unless needed for hunting or similar exceptions.

reason 2.
how many times do you hear 'he was a normal guy who snapped?' check yesterday's armed siege at nasa. psychological tests would not prevent this.

gun training courses? no. evidence suggests that both colombine shooters became more proficient after playing video games. autopsies suggested that many victims died of single shots to the head or military-style 'double taps'.

less guns on the streets, fewer guns for angry / mentally ill / criminally minded people to access. contiune with the current situation and i suggest that these massacres will continue.
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cboulton72



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

give up guns? and venison, pheasant, duck, rabbit, etc. too?

Call me naive but my family owns guns and I never once thought of them as violent. They've always been a means to supply food.

Again...hand guns are different and I do agree there needs to be some solution. It just isn't as simple as "hey everyone! Throw your guns out. Didn't they try that with rock and roll. Not quite the same effect as gun ownership. But the thing is that it's the people behind the objects that makes them good or bad.

Maybe my headache from sitting in front of the computer is impuding my ability to be clear. I hope you can see what I am trying to say...

Time to go close my eyes.
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Lunar Groove Gardener



Joined: 05 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is important that an effort is made to assess and resolve the incidence of these brutal shootings. Let's assume that once guns are illegal a lunatic has to resort to bombs and gasoline to have this large of an impact. Most unfortunate that some people neither want nor receive the kind of help which could avert this type of occurence.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
and wylies99 - yes, your voice does shout louder than mine cos i don't get to vote in the us, but maybe sometimes you should stop shouting and start listening.


LOL- I wasn't shouting, and the attitude that "Americans are too stupid" to realize guns can kill people doesn't help this discussion. Guns can kill- but that's not responsible gun ownership.
Guns are a necessary evil. Here's a little something for some of you to chew on-
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=83

Millions of Americans own guns and handle them in a responsible manner. Banning them because a nut shot people makes little sense. The more you know about this issue, the more you realize the "ban all guns Rolling Eyes " and "The US should be more like France Rolling Eyes " kind of attitudes are just absurd.

BTW-I don't just post on message boards- I vote, and that means I back up my beliefs with action. Many "message board whiners" don't bother to vote, so their opinions mean little.
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It just isn't as simple as "hey everyone! Throw your guns out.


Yes. Many around the world just refuse to accept that Americans disagree with them on this issue. If they want to live in the US, they have to accept responsibility with all of that freedom. 99.99999% of the people in the US can handle it. Don't punish them for the actions of one nut.
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VirginIslander



Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was watching CNN and they were talking about Mass Murders in the states. It said there were mass murders in Texas, Arizona, Kentucky, Colorado and now Virginia. Not a single New England State was mentioned in that particular story.

Are there killings sprees in the North East or is the killing quota limited to 5 people and under at a time.
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer to the OP question is simple. There are too many bullets. Many people have pity on the bullet makers and know that if they do not sell all of the extra bullets that they have in stock, then they will lose their jobs.
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gypsyfish



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trigger123 wrote:
... this was not about race. it was not about ethnicity. it was not about cho watching old boy or bittersweet life for gods sake. it comes down to the fact he had guns and ammunition and was mentally ill.
cho with easy access to a gun kills as 30. a mentally ill man with a knife does not. do the math. take the guns out of the equation and less people will die. does that make sense?


I've never understood this argument against gun ownership. Talk about desensitation! Is a mentally ill man killing one person with a knife a less terrible thing than a mentally ill man with a gun killing thirty-two? It's not the weapon, it's the fact that fewer people can be killed? I don't buy that. It a sad thing when anyone is killed by a mentally ill man.

It's also sad when people stand on the bodies of these people to push their agendas, be it guns are bad or everyone should have guns.

There needs to be restrictions on gun purchases, but banning them isn't the answer.
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Xerxes



Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gypsyfish wrote:
There needs to be restrictions on gun purchases, but banning them isn't the answer.


The media do not report on mass murders of a man wielding a sword or a knife. It takes tremendous physical strength to kill so many with a sword, and quite a bit of training, and the gore factor prevents many from killing beyond the first, or first few.

I saw a news show on Korean TV a while back and they said quoting a few Youngdeungpo-gu metallurgists who said that it is easy to make homemade guns in Korea, but that they don't because there is no market for them and the police enforcement is harsh.

The difficulty of getting a gun, even custom made, would prevent many, but Koreans know that the stigma of gun-ownership and its violent use would have the police hound them to the ends of the earth.

That is why there has been a big drop in ransom for kidnappings because of the high profile man-hunt for the kidnappers (and almost all are caught).

It has got to be the ease of getting guns, legally and illegally, in the US, overwhelmingly so, for the number of gun murders in the States. Statistics that NRA cite are skewed. Gun shops are not as prevalent in any other society other than the US. We Americans (stupidly and arrogantly) live and die to uphold our right to bear arms.
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cosmo



Joined: 09 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xerxes wrote:

The media do not report on mass murders of a man wielding a sword or a knife. It takes tremendous physical strength to kill so many with a sword, and quite a bit of training, and the gore factor prevents many from killing beyond the first, or first few.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bo-ZRb1Edg
POSO Indonesia Genocide

Warning: This video shows what death by blade looks like.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xerxes wrote:


The media do not report on mass murders of a man wielding a sword or a knife. It takes tremendous physical strength to kill so many with a sword, and quite a bit of training,



They need a Hattori Hanzō sword
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Satori



Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt_22 wrote:
gun deaths are a byproduct of the freedom to own firearms. this is an unfortunate side effect of a society's ability to make their own decisions. not much unlike the freedom to smoke tobacco, which inevitably leads to exponentially greater deaths than guns do. it's just that tobacco isn't as emotional of a topic as guns are, for they don't kill you as quickly. people don't get so hysterical about murders that take place over the course of years.

I think its pretty clear why guns incite more hysteria than tobacco. With tobacco the person only kills themself. With guns its an innocent person with no choice in the matter, so its quite a different ball game.
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ernie



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have a few honest questions for the "right to bear arms" crowd that deserve a mention:

1. since you're generally oppose government regulations, why not start with a few less dangerous things that are currently being regulated, i.e. cars and dogs... granted, cars and dogs DO kill people, but they were not explicity desgined with that purpose in mind!

2. if you seriously believe that your family "heritage" depends upon guns to hunt food, how do you think people hunted before guns came around? what percentage of the food eaten by your ancestors was meat obtained using a gun?

3. there is a MASSIVE difference between guns and alcohol/tobacco/drugs for the simple reason that people who use the latter are killing THEMSELVES! how can you seriously equate the two?
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a question for "Ernie"- Does your keyboard have a Shift key for capital letters?
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