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stevemcgarrett
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Oh, lookee, two atheists insisting that demonic possession is a silly thing.
First MM2, the Vatican acknowledges that exorcism need not be limited to Roman Catholic rituals. Indeed, Protestants have participated in authorized exorcisms, which you would know if you had extensive knowledge of the subject.
I suggest you read Martin's book I mentioned and then get back to us. I challenge you to refute much less dismiss what he says.
What's silly is being an atheist and believing that this universe was created only through the laws of physics. Actually, it's not silly, just so debilitating and spiritless. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| First MM2, the Vatican acknowledges that exorcism need not be limited to Roman Catholic rituals. Indeed, Protestants have participated in authorized exorcisms, which you would know if you had extensive knowledge of the subject. |
So what?
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| I suggest you read Martin's book I mentioned and then get back to us. I challenge you to refute much less dismiss what he says. |
Sorry, don't have that book in front of me. You got a best piece of evidence online we can both examine?
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| What's silly is being an atheist and believing that this universe was created only through the laws of physics. Actually, it's not silly, just so debilitating and spiritless. |
Why? Atheists are incapable of acting in ethical ways simply because they don't believe they'll be punished? |
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ED209
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Oh, lookee, two atheists insisting that demonic possession is a silly thing.
First MM2, the Vatican acknowledges that exorcism need not be limited to Roman Catholic rituals. Indeed, Protestants have participated in authorized exorcisms, which you would know if you had extensive knowledge of the subject.
I suggest you read Martin's book I mentioned and then get back to us. I challenge you to refute much less dismiss what he says.
What's silly is being an atheist and believing that this universe was created only through the laws of physics. Actually, it's not silly, just so debilitating and spiritless. |
Well please inform the silly atheist of the evidence for exorcism being what it claims to be. What evidence in his book convinces you? All I see is that claims with out evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
How can demons be cast out by both Christian Exorcists and Hindu Exorcists?
Are all the Hindu ones fake?
What is really silly is using fear, ignorance and superstition to explain the world. Exorcisms should be considered a crime for the harm they do to people. Books don't prove much in this area, studies do, what kinds of studies does Martin refer to? |
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cosmo
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Well please inform the silly atheist of the evidence for exorcism being what it claims to be.
How can demons be cast out by both Christian Exorcists and Hindu Exorcists? Are all the Hindu ones fake?
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This is a surprisingly elementary question.
Demons are ecumenical.
Demons existed prior to religions.
Demons do not subscribe to any religion.
I answered the question in sincerity and to the best of my understanding.
I have no interest in debating the matter. |
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cosmo
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Nowhere in the Bible is it said that God is the current ruler of this world.
Nowhere in the Bible is it said that Jesus is the current ruler of this world.
According to the Bible, Jesus referred to Satan as "the ruler of this world." ( John 12:31; 14:30; 16;11 )
According to the Bible, Satan The Devil is "the god of this system of things." ( 2 Corinthians 4:3, 4 )
According to the Bible, "The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one." ( 1 John 5:19 ) |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Oh, lookee, two atheists insisting that demonic possession is a silly thing.
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Would you expect something else from us? |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| Why? Atheists are incapable of acting in ethical ways simply because they don't believe they'll be punished? |
Don't sweat it, bruddah. I'm not creating a false dilemma here. Of course many atheists are eminently ethical in their personal conduct as many self-proclaimed Christians are not.
It is my sense, though, that one must be a bit silly to believe that this world has no spiritual basis. Of course, I fully realize that's a huge article of faith.
Sorry, no online link and anyhow Martin must be read in context. He was instrumental on this issue at Second Vatican Council under Pope Paul VI, was called on for his authority on the subject by religious and lay persons, participated in two exorcisms and demonstrated his concern for objectivity by criticizing the modern Jesuits, from which he sprung, in another book.
But you would be hard-pressed to find more eloquent writing on the subject.
Anyway, you're too intelligent to be so flippant. |
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fiveeagles
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| You would like to see me in woman's panties, wouldn't you? Got a bit of the Ted Haggard in you? Do you want to kiss my pretty mouth? |
So the foul and dirty spirit manifests. Why don't we try to cast it out?
Actually, my beautiful wife is more than enough. Looks like you might need one.
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fiveeagles
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I've also pointed out on the previous page that African churches that bring this belief to the UK are carrying out acts of child abuse. I would not look for knowledge from a place that believes evil dictators can turn into snakes and that AIDS can be cured with either fresh vegetables, cold showers or infant sex, unless I was looking for how stupid people can be.
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Maybe stupidity and demonic influence has a correlation? |
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ddeubel
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe stupidity and demonic influence has a correlation? |
So I guess you are saying that intelligence and godly influence have a correlation?
Quite the gambit.
DD |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:39 am Post subject: |
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I've also pointed out on the previous page that African churches that bring this belief to the UK are carrying out acts of child abuse. I would not look for knowledge from a place that believes evil dictators can turn into snakes and that AIDS can be cured with either fresh vegetables, cold showers or infant sex, unless I was looking for how stupid people can be.
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Maybe stupidity and demonic influence has a correlation? |
Not really sure what you mean here, so let's try again. Children have been accused of witch craft and with possession by demons. In the process of the demons been driven out children are beaten, in some cases to death. This was my earlier example of the stupid practice of exorcism. The correlation is between stupidity and those practising exorcism. Is that what you meant? |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| You would like to see me in woman's panties, wouldn't you? Got a bit of the Ted Haggard in you? Do you want to kiss my pretty mouth? |
So the foul and dirty spirit manifests. Why don't we try to cast it out?
Actually, my beautiful wife is more than enough. Looks like you might need one. |
Dude first you want me in a dress now you want to get me involved in a three way with your wife? No thanks. |
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fiveeagles
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| You are quite the piece of work, eh? Can't win an argument so you make crude comments about me and my wife. Classy. |
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fiveeagles
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I've also pointed out on the previous page that African churches that bring this belief to the UK are carrying out acts of child abuse. I would not look for knowledge from a place that believes evil dictators can turn into snakes and that AIDS can be cured with either fresh vegetables, cold showers or infant sex, unless I was looking for how stupid people can be.
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Maybe stupidity and demonic influence has a correlation? |
Not really sure what you mean here, so let's try again. Children have been accused of witch craft and with possession by demons. In the process of the demons been driven out children are beaten, in some cases to death. This was my earlier example of the stupid practice of exorcism. The correlation is between stupidity and those practising exorcism. Is that what you meant? |
Sometimes the priests doing the exorcism is more demonically possessed then the children. Look at the history of the church and what is has done. I would say, a good majority of it is controlled by evil. |
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ED209
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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I've also pointed out on the previous page that African churches that bring this belief to the UK are carrying out acts of child abuse. I would not look for knowledge from a place that believes evil dictators can turn into snakes and that AIDS can be cured with either fresh vegetables, cold showers or infant sex, unless I was looking for how stupid people can be.
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Maybe stupidity and demonic influence has a correlation? |
Not really sure what you mean here, so let's try again. Children have been accused of witch craft and with possession by demons. In the process of the demons been driven out children are beaten, in some cases to death. This was my earlier example of the stupid practice of exorcism. The correlation is between stupidity and those practising exorcism. Is that what you meant? |
Sometimes the priests doing the exorcism is more demonically possessed then the children. Look at the history of the church and what is has done. I would say, a good majority of it is controlled by evil. |
Wow, talk about atheists being unaccountable that's the best get of jail free card you can get. |
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