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cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:07 am Post subject: |
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Ahem.
Announcement:
The Earth is warming
There was an ice age
It has been warming ever since
There will be another ice age
It's over due
The above facts do not excuse us from cleaning up our act. |
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safeblad
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
Ahem.
Announcement:
The Earth is warming
There was an ice age
It has been warming ever since
There will be another ice age
It's over due
The above facts do not excuse us from cleaning up our act. |
the picture becomes clearer then, the ice age is responsible for genocide in darfur (is it the ice age or the fact that it is overdue? i am so confused) |
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mack4289

Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| Darfur was peaceful when there was good rainfall? There was a 17 year civil war from 1955-72. Then it started again in 1983 and lasted for more than 20 years. Unless Wikipedia is way off, or unless Darfur somehow remained untouched by roughly 40 years of civil war, there is something seriously missing from Ban Ki Moon's grasp of the conflict. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| mack4289 wrote: |
| Darfur was peaceful when there was good rainfall? There was a 17 year civil war from 1955-72. Then it started again in 1983 and lasted for more than 20 years. Unless Wikipedia is way off, or unless Darfur somehow remained untouched by roughly 40 years of civil war, there is something seriously missing from Ban Ki Moon's grasp of the conflict. |
You just hate muslims. |
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safeblad
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:28 am Post subject: |
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I have made my position clear (i think) that i dont consider climate change responsible for Darfur, there have always been droughts and crop failures etc. Anyway I think its an interesting topic, so here is something from the Guardian.
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Darfur conflict heralds era of wars triggered by climate change, UN report warns
� Drought and advancing desert blamed for tensions
� Chad and southern Africa also at risk from warming
Julian Borger, diplomatic editor
Saturday June 23, 2007
The Guardian
The conflict in Darfur has been driven by climate change and environmental degradation, which threaten to trigger a succession of new wars across Africa unless more is done to contain the damage, according to a UN report published yesterday.
"Darfur ... holds grim lessons for other countries at risk," an 18-month study of Sudan by the UN Environment Programme (UNEP) concludes.
With rainfall down by up to 30% over 40 years and the Sahara advancing by well over a mile every year, tensions between farmers and herders over disappearing pasture and evaporating water holes threaten to reignite the half-century war between north and south Sudan, held at bay by a precarious 2005 peace accord.
The southern Nuba tribe, for example, have warned they could "restart the war" because Arab nomads - pushed southwards into their territory by drought - are cutting down trees to feed their camels.
The UNEP investigation into links between climate and conflict in Sudan predicts that the impact of climate change on stability is likely to go far beyond its borders. It found there could be a drop of up to 70% in crop yields in the most vulnerable areas of the Sahel, an ecologically fragile belt stretching from Senegal to Sudan. "It illustrates and demonstrates what is increasingly becoming a global concern," said Achim Steiner, UNEP's executive director. "It doesn't take a genius to work out that as the desert moves southwards there is a physical limit to what [ecological] systems can sustain, and so you get one group displacing another."
He also pointed to incipient conflicts in Chad "at least in part associated with environmental changes", and to growing tensions in southern Africa fuelled by droughts and flooding.
Estimates of the dead from the Darfur conflict, which broke out in 2003, range from 200,000 to 500,000. The immediate cause was a regional rebellion, to which Khartoum responded by recruiting Arab militias, the janjaweed, to wage a campaign of ethnic cleansing against African civilians. The UNEP study suggests the true genesis of the conflict pre-dates 2003 and is to be found in failing rains and creeping desertification. It found that:
� The desert in northern Sudan has advanced southwards by 60 miles over the past 40 years;
� Rainfall has dropped by 16%-30%;
� Climate models for the region suggest a rise of between 0.5C and 1.5C between 2030 and 2060;
� Yields in the local staple, sorghum, could drop by 70%.
In the Washington Post, the UN secretary-general, Ban Ki-moon, argued: "Almost invariably, we discuss Darfur in a convenient military and political shorthand - an ethnic conflict pitting Arab militias against black rebels and farmers. Look to its roots, though, and you discover a more complex dynamic. Amid the diverse social and political causes, the Darfur conflict began as an ecological crisis, arising at least in part from climate change."
In turn, the Darfur conflict has exacerbated Sudan's environmental degradation, forcing more than two million people into refugee camps. Deforestation has been accelerated while underground aquifers are being drained.
A peace deal signed last year by rebels and the Khartoum government broke down, but this month President Omar al-Bashir said he would accept the deployment of a joint UN and African Union force. He has reneged on similar pledges, but UN diplomats are hopeful this one will stick. However, the UNEP report warns that no peace will last without sustained investment in containing environmental damage and adapting to climate change. Mr Steiner said: "Simply to return people to the situation there were in before is a high-risk strategy."
The G8 summit ended in Germany with consensus over the severity of the climate change problem but no agreement on how it should be contained. A common approach is supposed to be negotiated under UN auspices at the end of the year. |
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mack4289

Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not saying climate change doesn't have anything to do with the conflict. But it seems like Ban Ki Moon is trying to change the subject because he knows Bashir's been running circles around him. I guess it's good that it's one more reason to take climate change seriously, but how does it put us any closer to resolving the conflict in Darfur? Are we going to tell the Sudanese to give us 20 more years to cut into carbon emissions? Here's an article that makes the UN sound pretty weak on Darfur:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/06/14/news/UN-GEN-UN-Sudan.php?page=2
Sudan's al-Bashir had been demanding that all troops in the hybrid force come from Africa.
Malwal told the AP by phone from Addis Ababa that if that was not possible, Sudan would accept contributions from "friendly" countries. If that still is not enough, Sudan would accept troops from other parts of the world, he said.
Guehenno said he was pleased that Sudan had accepted the possibility of non-African troops in the force.
"We are going to make every effort to preserve the African character of the mission," he said, "but there are some capacities where we may have to look beyond Africa."
"Our key goal remains helping the people of Darfur, having a force deployed as quickly as possible with the right capacities," he said.
- Is their goal helping the people of Darfur or making sure Bashir doesn't object to the nationalities of the soldiers? |
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