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butlerian



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dome Vans wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296939,00.html

Wow, what a fantastically reliable source for this fantabulous reason for a bit of no brainer whooping, as Israel blows the sh*t out of something and the States back them to the hilt. Bravo posters here, if you haven't already spilt enough innocent blood, you're off for another doomed illegal invasion. Try finishing off the previous two co*kups before making a third. Congrats!

America = Israel's poodle.


Spot on.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JMO wrote:
Doesn't israel have nuclear weapons? I'm trying to figure out what gives them the right to have these weapons but other countries can't. Nor can I see what gives them the right to attack another country.

The reaction here should be to condemn Israel's attack on another country's soil.


There is a difference Israel wants to make a deal with its enemies but Israel's enemies are out to destroy Israel. That is not an opinion.

A countires intentions are an important thing in whether it is ok for them to have nuclear weapons or not.

Plus of course Syria supports Hizzbollah who is out to destroy Israel.

Also Israels enemies out number Israel by about 300 million to 5 million.


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JMO



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
JMO wrote:
That makes no sense...There is no reason they should have these weapons and others should not.


McGarrett and CBClark: you are wasting energy attempting to reason with this purist. I say this to orient him and not cast aspersions. He is speaking honestly and not combatively when he protests "That makes no sense."

He will never, ever, not for the rest of his life, come to terms with humanity, its daily contradictions, and such phenomena as Realism.

Did you know, JMO, that Paris deploys nuclear weapons and also opposes Tehran's nuclear-weapons program at the same time?

Walt Whitman wrote:
Do I contradict myself? Very well. Then I contradict myself. I am vast. I contain multitudes.




mmm you deliberately took that quote out of context i assume. i meant it made no sense that it is anti semitic to say its wrong for israel to attack another country.


When france conducts a raid on Iran and destroys its nuclear weapons, then yes I will say that is wrong.

Realism? When syria responds or syrian terrorists find a way to respond, in the US or israel, lets not condemn..yes lets be realistic.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:

I think cbclark4 has summed up the diplomatic situation nicely.


Did you expect anything less from me. Very Happy
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Pligganease



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
Plus of course Syria supports Hizzbollah who is out to destroy Israel.


Wait, Joo!

The only certain thing about the Middle East is that the U.S. controls Israel! All of what you're saying is just speculation and Islamophobia!
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contrarian



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never again shall the Jews go quietly into the noght. Never!!

Islam and Nazisim are two sides of the same evil coin dedicated to the destruction og the Jews.

This time the Jews have friends. America and some Christians.

The other aphorism of the modern Jew, Massada will not fall again![/b]
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Report: Eight IAF warplanes hit Syria

By Haaretz Correspondents and Agencies
Tue., September 18, 2007, Israel Time: 02:37 (EST+7)

Syria had been planning a "devastating surprise" for Israel, according to an Israeli source quoted in London-based paper The Times on Sunday. The report also claimed that Israeli ground forces were involved in the Israel Air Force air raid against a Syrian installation, which foreign sources described as a nuclear facility.

According to the British weekly, the Israeli source said that planning for the strike began shortly after Mossad chief Meir Dagan presented Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, in late spring, with evidence that Syria was seeking to acquire a nuclear device from North Korea.

Dagan apparently feared such a device could eventually be installed on Scud-C missiles in Syria's arsenal.

"This was supposed to be a devastating Syrian surprise for Israel," The Times quoted an Israeli source as saying. "We've known for a long time that Syria has deadly chemical warheads on its Scuds, but Israel can't live with a nuclear warhead."

South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported Sunday that a senior North Korean official denied a Washington Post report that Pyongyang was transferring nuclear know-how to Syria. The report in the Washington Post suggested intelligence, including satellite images, revealed a facility in Syria which may be used to build nuclear warheads.

"They often say things that are groundless," Yonhap quoted deputy chief of the North Korean mission to the United Nations Kim Myong-gil as saying in response to the Post report. The North Korean official did not elaborate.

Another British newspaper, The Observer, reported yesterday that Israel's air strike, involved as many as eight aircraft.

According to the Times report, an IAF commando team that had arrived on the ground days earlier directed laser beams at the target for the jets.

Syria's ambassador to Washington denied foreign media reports over the weekend that an Israel Air Force strike on his country 11 days ago targeted a nuclear project being undertaken with the cooperation of North Korea.

According to the foreign press reports, the target of the IAF raid was a Syrian nuclear installation constructed in the northeastern corner of the country, with North Korean assistance.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/904114.html
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contrarian



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As at Osirak some years ago the Israelis turned the danger around and made the "devatating surpise" for Israel a devastating defeat and embarrassment for North Korea and Syria.

Nor, doe this bode well for Iran.

Like the ancient Chinese curse. We are living in interesting times.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Netanyahu confirms IAF carried out raid in Syria

By Amir Oren , Haaretz Correspondent and Haaretz Service
Last update - 03:25 20/09/2007


In what appears to be the first confirmation by a senior politician of foreign media reports of an Israeli operation in Syria two weeks ago, opposition leader MK Benjamin Netanyahu told Channel One television last night that he was party to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's decision.

In an interview with Channel One news anchor Haim Yavin, Netanyahu said that he briefed on Olmert's decision to carry out an operation in Syria, gave him his backing and congratulated him.

"When the prime minister take action in important and necessary matters, and generally when the government is doing things for the security of Israel, I give it my endorsement," he said. "I was party to this matter, I must say, from the first minute and I gave it my backing, but it is still too early to discuss this subject."

As Netanyahu was going public with his endorsement of the reported attack against a target in Syria, the deputy chairman of the board of the Israel Atomic Energy Commission, Gideon Frank, warned delegates at the 51st International Atomic Energy Commission in Vienna Wednesday, that Israel would not be able to ignore the efforts by various countries in the Middle East to develop weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them.

Even though Frank did not specify the countries in question, his statements hinted heavily at Iran and Syria.

Responding to the near permanent call by Arab states for Israel to agree to a nuclear weapons-free Middle East, Frank reiterated a series of preconditions for achieving what he described as "a noble goal," stressing that this "cannot be advanced out of context." Frank stressed that the manifestation of this "vision," which is interpreted as a call on Israel to relinquish its nuclear capabilities, can only occur in stages.

The proposed disarmament would also include chemical and biological weapons and ballistic missiles.

Frank is heading the Israeli delegation to the meeting. Dr. Shaul Horev, who will replace Frank as director of the IAEC early next month, also attended. The chairman of the IAEC is the prime minister, and Frank was given a new position as deputy chairman of the board.

In his address to Wednesday's meeting, Frank said that "lamentably, some instances of gross and consistent noncompliance, mostly in our region, have not been initially detected by the [International Atomic Energy] Agency and have not as yet been checked by proper enforcement of corrective measures."

He warned that "if left unchecked, these developments will undermine regional and global stability, while also posing a grave existential challenge to Israel. We can hardly remain oblivious to intensive efforts by some in our region to develop WMD [weapons of mass destruction] and their means of delivery, accompanied by sustained denial of the very legitimacy of our sovereign existence and calls for our destruction."


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/905359.html
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The_Conservative



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JMO wrote:
Doesn't israel have nuclear weapons? I'm trying to figure out what gives them the right to have these weapons but other countries can't.
Israel is NOT a signatory to the NPT. Syria on the other hand is. So there you have it. Israel did not agree to not develop nuclear weapons. Syria did.


Nor can I see what gives them the right to attack another country.

How about the illegal trade and smuggling of weapons from North Korea? Weapons that may be used against them?

The reaction here should be to condemn Israel's attack on another country's soil.

And of course give Syria a pass for violating the NPT? No. It violated a treaty it signed and was punished for it. If more countries followed Israel's example we wouldn't have problems like Iraq, Iran, North Korea or Syria.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Israel is a small country. Syria, among others have vowed to destroy them. A get them first philosophy makes eminent sense.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Syria: Israeli nuclear weapons are sparking Mideast arms race

21/09/2007
By Yossi Melman, Haaretz Correspondent, Haaretz Service and News Agencies


Syria's ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency said Thursday that Israel's nuclear capabilities were sparking an arms race in the region.

"The fact that UN and IAEA decisions regarding Israel's nuclear capability are not implemented increases the frustration of the Arab states and threatens to expand the arms race that could threaten the peace and security of the region and entire world," said Ibrahim Othman at IAEA's annual conference.

According to reports in the American and British media, the target of an alleged Israel Air Force strike on Syria earlier this month was a nuclear facility built with North Korea's assistance.

Syria has said IAF planes violated its airspace and fired missiles at targets on the ground, but both Damascus and Pyongyang have vehemently denied the reports of nuclear cooperation.

"[Israel] has nuclear weapons and nuclear capabilities, that are not under international supervision," Othman continued. "It is a legitimate concern to ask Israel to join the nuclear non-proliferation treaty."

The 144-nation IAEA conference criticized Israel for refusing to put its nuclear program under international purview, with the United States alone in supporting Israel.

Besides Washington, only Israel voted against the resolution while 53 nations backed it and 47 abstained. The remaining nations were absent for the highly unusual vote - only the second in the 16 years the issue has been on the agenda of the IAEA.

Up to last year, the resolution on Application of IAEA Safeguards in the Middle East had been adopted by consensus, but in 2006, and again this year, Israeli objections forced a vote.

This year, Israel opposed two paragraphs - one calling all nations in the Middle East not to develop, test or otherwise acquire nuclear weapons, the other urging nuclear weapons states to refrain from any action hindering the establishment of a Mideast zone free of nuclear weapons.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/905802.html
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J'lem outraged by Netanyahu's admission of IAF strike on Syria

By Mazal Meulam and Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondent and Haaretz Service
20/09/2007


The political and defense establishments reacted with fury on Thursday to opposition leader MK Benjamin Netanyahu's apparent confirmation of an Israeli operation in Syria two weeks ago.

In what appears to be the first confirmation by a senior politician of foreign media reports, MK Benjamin Netanyahu told Channel One television that he was party to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's decision to attack Syria, an operation on which Israeli officials have remained uncharacteristically silent.

Labor Party secretary-general, Eitan Cabel, said to Army Radio that Netanyahu's words were "an outburst that is severe, stupid and irresponsible."

"Bibi [Netanyahu] is the same Bibi. I haven no idea if it is foolishness, stupidity, the desire to jump on the bandwagon, the desire to be a partner, to steal credit - or something else. It is simply very dangerous. The man simply does not deserve to lead," Cabel told Army Radio.

In an interview with Channel One news anchor Haim Yavin, Netanyahu shocked the Prime Minister's Office when he said that he was briefed on Olmert's decision to carry out an operation in Syria, gave him his backing and congratulated him.

"When the prime minister takes action in important and necessary matters, and generally when the government is doing things for the security of Israel, I give it my endorsement," he said. "I was party to this matter, I must say, from the first minute and I gave it my backing, but it is still too early to discuss this subject."

Yavin then asked Netanyahu, "did you congratulate him [Olmert] on the operation?"

Netanyahu responded, "Personally, yes."

In response to the interview, sources close to Olmert said that "Bibi's slip of the tongue borders national irresponsibility."

An official said Tuesday that "once again Netanyahu couldn't restrain himself and he ran to tell the guys."


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/905359.html
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has abyone noticed that Syria has signed the NPT and Israel has not?

Or for that matter has anyone noticed that Syria backs Hesbollah and Hamas who have sworn to exterminate the Zionist state and to drive the Jews into the sea?

Has anyone notice that the Palestinians keep fighting "free" wars. They start one, lose and then whine to get back what they lost.

Yes Israel has the bomb - that is a very good thing. No, they haven't used it yet, which is also a good thing.

Now for the Sampson option. Israel is small enough that one nuclear weapon dropped in the right place might destroy it. The answer is that if Israel is nuked they will die and the Sampson option will use 200 nukes to turn the middle east into a glass parking lot.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

contrarian wrote:

Yes Israel has the bomb - that is a very good thing. No, they haven't used it yet, which is also a good thing.

Now for the Sampson option. Israel is small enough that one nuclear weapon dropped in the right place might destroy it. The answer is that if Israel is nuked they will die and the Sampson option will use 200 nukes to turn the middle east into a glass parking lot.


I disagree that Israel needs the bomb. Israel cannot use the bomb pre-emptively to destroy other nations that get it. Neither would Israel be any less safe were another nation in the region to get nuclear weapons, because Israel would be protected by the American nuclear umbrella.

Israel got the bomb for existential reasons. Which is one of the many reasons Iran is pursuing it nuclear weapons development.

There is only one nation that strikes me as having justifiably pursued nuclear weapons for protection from a true and real nuclear threat. That country is China.
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