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| Who Would You Vote For As President? |
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thepeel
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:23 am Post subject: |
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I'm trying to remember when the last time a great state had a fruitcake in charge. |
Are you fuc.king serious?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:24 am Post subject: |
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I am curious how much of the hostility to Senator Clinton seen around here is just cheap-jack sexism from insecure males. |
Wow. You're getting desperate. 6-1 odds.. NH as the first primary. Free-staters lining walls.
Ron Paul would not attack Iran. Hillary will. This alone makes him the better candidate. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:51 am Post subject: |
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Exactly, Ron Pual would continue to let Iran attack us.
Though I can say one good thing about the man. He never changes his tune no matter what the political reality of the day is. You don't have to guess what he is thinking unlike some of the other frontrunners; repub or dem. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Exactly, Ron Pual would continue to let Iran attack us. |
Well, not exactly. America would be out of Iraq very quickly. Paul authorized the attack on Afghanistan and should Iran lose her mind and blow stuff up in D.C. he would retaliate properly.
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Though I can say one good thing about the man. He never changes his tune no matter what the political reality of the day is.
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Isn't that Bush and the rest of em'? Iraq is a lost cause, yet they stay. The only person with a realistic policy towards the mid-east is Ron Paul.
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| You don't have to guess what he is thinking unlike some of the other frontrunners; repub or dem. |
Well, Rudy is prolly thinking about his former (gay) roommates and how his mothers underwear felt on his body and if the Marines would mind if he wore it while watching the waterboarding, Mitt prolly thinks about about his magic underwear, Fred thinks about himself, Hillary about her lesbian lover OR her desire for a lesbian lover and how cool it will be for Bill to be called the first lady by Republicans for 4 years, John Edwards about his hair, Obama about normal important stuff and Joe Biden about clever one-liners that get him Daily Show props.
Ron Paul honestly and actually is thinking about the rule of law, a peaceful country and civil liberties. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| Though I can say one good thing about the man. He never changes his tune no matter what the political reality of the day is. You don't have to guess what he is thinking unlike some of the other frontrunners; repub or dem. |
That's mostly true, but not entirely. He's changed his position on the death penalty for example (a change for the better):
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=ex-yp10yLvs |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:40 am Post subject: |
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Well, not exactly. America would be out of Iraq very quickly. Paul authorized the attack on Afghanistan and should Iran lose her mind and blow stuff up in D.C. he would retaliate properly.
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Yes, but Iran continues to attack American, Israeli and other Western interests by proxy. e.g. Iran's leadership has made no secret of "wiping Israel off the map."
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| Isn't that Bush and the rest of em'? Iraq is a lost cause, yet they stay. |
Don't share your pessimistic and cynical view of Iraq. Part of the problem is that a lot of the libertarians are right when they say that these people have never known liberty or freedom. Yet I believe security comes first. (Horse carriage arguement I suppose) Every Arab nation has had to endure one ~ism or another. Whether it be Bathism, Wahabism, Islamism, Socialism; Arabs had never had control over themselves. I agree. I think it can be done. However, security is the first necessary component before Arabs can be free from the ~ism.
I'm sorry you think Arab liberty is a lost cause.
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Well, Rudy is prolly thinking about his former (gay) roommates and how his mothers underwear felt on his body and if the Marines would mind if he wore it while watching the waterboarding, Mitt prolly thinks about about his magic underwear, Fred thinks about himself, Hillary about her lesbian lover OR her desire for a lesbian lover and how cool it will be for Bill to be called the first lady by Republicans for 4 years, John Edwards about his hair, Obama about normal important stuff and Joe Biden about clever one-liners that get him Daily Show props.
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I never really knew Rudy or Hillary had LGBTT fantasies (well, maybe Rudy). News to me. Anyways, my point was that you can never pinpoint their beliefs or philosophies. At least, with Ron Paul you know what you're getting. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I am curious how much of the hostility to Senator Clinton seen around here is just cheap-jack sexism from insecure males. |
Wow. You're getting desperate. 6-1 odds.. NH as the first primary. Free-staters lining walls.
Ron Paul would not attack Iran. Hillary will. This alone makes him the better candidate. |
It's a fair (but rhetorical) question. Most people don't seem to care, but there are guys who just don't feel comfortable having a woman in charge. Most have the class not to say it out loud, but they do in private.
Count on you to answer a rhetorical question. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:28 am Post subject: |
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RP like to arrogate to himself the claim that he believes in the Constitution, implying that no one else does. In the spirit of 'turn about is fair play', I'd like to know, what with his ignorant economic plans and all, if he and his mini-crowd are even patriotic.
Some members of the Far (and Nutty) Right want to bring on Armaggedon. I'm just wondering if RP is one of those. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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RP like to arrogate to himself the claim that he believes in the Constitution, implying that no one else does. In the spirit of 'turn about is fair play', I'd like to know, what with his ignorant economic plans and all, if he and his mini-crowd are even patriotic.
Some members of the Far (and Nutty) Right want to bring on Armaggedon. I'm just wondering if RP is one of those. |
Do you have any evidence that he desires to bring on Armageddon, or are you just trying to label him. Throw a ton of sh.it at him and hope some sticks? Really yata, the premier anti-war candidate, and you label associate him with the evangelical neo-conservatives that he is the exact opposite of.
Also, what is patriotism? Limiting debate to very narrow deviations from the status quo and then labeling everything outside crazy, ignorant or stupid? Is that patriotic? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Do you have any evidence that he desires to bring on Armageddon |
Your reading skills are not what they could be. I was asking a question.
What I remember from Bush's campaign was that he said he wanted a small government, to do something about the growing anti-Americanism abroad, lower taxes...And we all have seen what that brought us. RP sounds somewhat like him.
Just wondering. |
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thepeel
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Some members of the Far (and Nutty) Left want to bring on communism. I'm just wondering if HC is one of those. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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catman

Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Vote Nader!  |
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basplar

Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: Ron Paul, America's Only Hope |
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| Ron Paul is America's only hope of restoring constitutional democracy to the United States and he has consistently voted along the lines of obeying the constitution and allowing people to have their civil rights without outside interference. What's going on right now is that the New World Order(the REAL power brokers in the world:for more info see Alex Jones' Movie entitled ENDGAME: BLUEPRINT FOR GLOBAL ENSLAVEMENT on google video) are using this left-right paradigm to fool Americans into thinking that they really have a choice in elected leaders. Hilary Clinton is just as much a tool of the New World Order as Bush is, and as her husband Bill Clinton was before her and continues to be. As a matter of fact, Rupert Murdoch, owner of FAUX news, regularly dines with and holds fund raisers for Hilary(look it up, that's FACT!!) Who would you rather have as a president, someone who wants to get American military personnel out of an unnecessary, wrong war and restore constitutional freedoms to all Americans that the founding fathers envisioned, or someone who shares more views with Bush and his puppets than ANY of the other Republican candidates(hint hint:Hilary). I'm neither a Democrat, nor a Republican, but out of all of the candidates that are running for president, I would have to say that I'm going to have to vote for a person that wants to end American wars of aggression, withdraw American troops back to the U.S.(where they belong), reverse all of the horribly unconstitutional laws that have been passed during the Bush administration that have DESTROYED the Bill of Rights and the rest of the Constitution, and restore the America to what it was MEANT to be. Ron Paul isn't perfect(I don't agree with him on everything...health care, privatizing SOME government agencies, abortion, etc), but those issues are all SECONDARY to the most important issues of our lives which are the civil rights that are being STOLEN from us at this very moment!! Ron Paul is the best chance we have to restore America to a country where we can have open discussion and forum on the smaller issues, ...and yes, they are smaller issues compared to the Iraq war, the facistic militarization of the police and the eradication of the Posse Comitatus act, which now allows the military to BECOME the police at the President's order, and therefore, American becomes a police state. There are people dying by the thousands in and outside of the U.S. because of these policies of the current administration, and civil liberties have become DECIMATED in the "Land of the free, and the Home of the Brave." This saddens me to the point of feeling like there's no hope of return, but if we fight for our liberties,...our freedoms,....our rights given to us by God(or whoever you want to believe), then you will FIGHT this Left-Right, Democrat-Republican scam. They're all the same except for Ron Paul. This is the battle of our lives folks. For any Americans reading this, if we don't fight back NOW, then there won't be the America we know and love to go HOME TO!!! Now, what's it gonna' be. Hilary,....Obviously not due to the fact that there are no indistinguishable differences in her voting records in the Senate and Bushs' policies. EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE can only be trusted if they say they're willing to reopen the 9/11 investigations, restore constitutional law and freedoms back to the American people, and get us the HELL OUT OF IRAQ(and for GOD'S SAKE, don't attack Iran). Bring the boys back home. Let's take all of the money we're spending on Vietnam 2 and spend it on domestic programs to help build the DESPERATELY needed improvements to the U.S. infrastructure and to help the American people(instead of buying million dollar missles to kill a few brown people half a world away). Let's all stand behind Ron Paul in his mission to restore the constitutional freedoms back to the American people that have been stolen from us, and get our troops back on American soil.....NOW!![/u] |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:11 am Post subject: Re: Ron Paul, America's Only Hope |
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| basplar wrote: |
Ron Paul is America's only hope of restoring constitutional democracy to the United States and he has consistently voted along the lines of obeying the constitution and allowing people to have their civil rights without outside interference. What's going on right now is that the New World Order (the REAL power brokers in the world:for more info see Alex Jones' Movie entitled ENDGAME: BLUEPRINT FOR GLOBAL ENSLAVEMENT on google video) are using this left-right paradigm to fool Americans into thinking that they really have a choice in elected leaders.
Hilary Clinton is just as much a tool of the New World Order as Bush is, and as her husband Bill Clinton was before her and continues to be. As a matter of fact, Rupert Murdoch, owner of FAUX news, regularly dines with and holds fund raisers for Hilary(look it up, that's FACT!!)
Who would you rather have as a president, someone who wants to get American military personnel out of an unnecessary, wrong war and restore constitutional freedoms to all Americans that the founding fathers envisioned, or someone who shares more views with Bush and his puppets than ANY of the other Republican candidates (hint hint:Hilary).
I'm neither a Democrat, nor a Republican, but out of all of the candidates that are running for president, I would have to say that I'm going to have to vote for a person that wants to end American wars of aggression, withdraw American troops back to the U.S. (where they belong), reverse all of the horribly unconstitutional laws that have been passed during the Bush administration that have DESTROYED the Bill of Rights and the rest of the Constitution, and restore the America to what it was MEANT to be.
Ron Paul isn't perfect (I don't agree with him on everything...health care, privatizing SOME government agencies, abortion, etc), but those issues are all SECONDARY to the most important issues of our lives which are the civil rights that are being STOLEN from us at this very moment!! Ron Paul is the best chance we have to restore America to a country where we can have open discussion and forum on the smaller issues, ...and yes, they are smaller issues compared to the Iraq war, the facistic militarization of the police and the eradication of the Posse Comitatus act, which now allows the military to BECOME the police at the President's order, and therefore, American becomes a police state.
There are people dying by the thousands in and outside of the U.S. because of these policies of the current administration, and civil liberties have become DECIMATED in the "Land of the free, and the Home of the Brave." This saddens me to the point of feeling like there's no hope of return, but if we fight for our liberties,...our freedoms,....our rights given to us by God(or whoever you want to believe), then you will FIGHT this Left-Right, Democrat-Republican scam.
They're all the same except for Ron Paul. This is the battle of our lives folks.
For any Americans reading this, if we don't fight back NOW, then there won't be the America we know and love to go HOME TO!!! Now, what's it gonna' be. Hilary,....Obviously not due to the fact that there are no indistinguishable differences in her voting records in the Senate and Bushs' policies. EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE can only be trusted if they say they're willing to reopen the 9/11 investigations, restore constitutional law and freedoms back to the American people, and get us the HELL OUT OF IRAQ(and for GOD'S SAKE, don't attack Iran). Bring the boys back home.
Let's take all of the money we're spending on Vietnam 2 and spend it on domestic programs to help build the DESPERATELY needed improvements to the U.S. infrastructure and to help the American people(instead of buying million dollar missles to kill a few brown people half a world away). Let's all stand behind Ron Paul in his mission to restore the constitutional freedoms back to the American people that have been stolen from us, and get our troops back on American soil.....NOW!! |
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