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GENO123
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| If more than one person (This guy and the woman who wrote the book)reckon they can make money out of showing people how to get Korean university jobs, it suggests they aren't quite as bad as Geno, WT and others would have us believe. |
Not really because most are in the dark about what really goes on at those places. That is why people like promote them.
They are not much different from the recruiters on Daves Esl Cafe Korean job board. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| GENO123 wrote: |
| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| If more than one person (This guy and the woman who wrote the book)reckon they can make money out of showing people how to get Korean university jobs, it suggests they aren't quite as bad as Geno, WT and others would have us believe. |
Not really because most are in the dark about what really goes on at those places. That is why people like promote them.
They are not much different from the recruiters on Daves Esl Cafe Korean job board. |
Ok but how successful do you think you'd be offering a month long course on how to secure your dream hagwan job? |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| GENO123 wrote: |
| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| If more than one person (This guy and the woman who wrote the book)reckon they can make money out of showing people how to get Korean university jobs, it suggests they aren't quite as bad as Geno, WT and others would have us believe. |
Not really because most are in the dark about what really goes on at those places. That is why people like promote them.
They are not much different from the recruiters on Daves Esl Cafe Korean job board. |
Ok but how successful do you think you'd be offering a month long course on how to secure your dream hagwan job? |
See ninjateacher
He likes blood money too.
What these people do is the same as the get rich commercials on late night TV |
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tophatcat
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:25 am Post subject: |
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Mr Insight is getting rich on his University Job Program.
Mr GENO is soaking his hangman finger in anticipation for tomorrow's 3:15 class. |
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JohnML
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| GENO123 wrote: |
| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| If more than one person (This guy and the woman who wrote the book)reckon they can make money out of showing people how to get Korean university jobs, it suggests they aren't quite as bad as Geno, WT and others would have us believe. |
Not really because most are in the dark about what really goes on at those places. That is why people like promote them.
They are not much different from the recruiters on Daves Esl Cafe Korean job board. |
Ok but how successful do you think you'd be offering a month long course on how to secure your dream hagwan job? |
I'm genuinely curious about this, doesn't seem to me like they're gonna be making a lot of cash and they've given no information suggesting such. Also the free trial seems excessive, which would suggest they've got no client base as of yet. Especially since they are so specific in their market.
Of course I may be wrong on this but I'd be willing to bet it'll fail. Seems too "exotic" for a course, hey you wanna become an international teacher in China. I GOT THE COURSE RIGHT HERE YOU NEED! Any idiot can throw up a website and do this, heck when I was in TEFL I did just that to look more professional and their website looks terrible/like one of those cheap web ads.
Would be willing to eat my hat if someone can prove otherwise though.
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Mr Insight is getting rich on his University Job Program.
Mr GENO is soaking his hangman finger in anticipation for tomorrow's 3:15 class. |
What suggests this? I can link to quite a few random ESL course websites that don't generate a lot of revenue. Don't think they're gonna make much in this for the time/effort, seems like every other random ESL cert/training provider. Also none of that course gives you the credentials to work at a university MA/real experience which is the important stuff.
I think most people are going to realize this is a waste of time, would make my CV look worse, if anything.
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| tophatcat wrote: |
Mr Insight is getting rich on his University Job Program.
Mr GENO is soaking his hangman finger in anticipation for tomorrow's 3:15 class. |
Notice that Top Hate Cat refers to those who try to deceive and rip people off as having "insight"
Hey Top Hate Cat where is your proof that most university jobs are good?
At any rate some people will side w/ the university no matter what..
More importantly Universities try to negate f- 5 visas . and some people support them in doing that.
How much is 2.7 ~ 2.8 take home in US dollars?
Can someone support a family / pay back a loan on a university salary?
I guess one could do extra work but it is not allowed.
Universities don't pay severance. Do they ?
"contact hours" means nothing whatsoever. Only total total work and trouble compared to total pay.
Sad to say there are some who would wish to stop such a discussion.
As always failure to answer = unwillingness to answer.
Guide to conditions at big famous schools below:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=233809&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| GENO, why don't you just go home? |
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GENO123
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should people not have access about what goes on at Universities?
Why ought they be the only ones who control the narrative?
The free flow of information is in the public interest. Accountability is also in the public interest. Any objections?
Remember
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’ |
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northway
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| GENO123 wrote: |
should people not have access about what goes on at Universities?
Why ought they be the only ones who control the narrative?
The free flow of information is in the public interest. Accountability is also in the public interest. Any objections?
Remember
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’ |
Jesus, what is this, the march on Selma? You seem not to have understood, so I'll rephrase:
If things are that awful, why don't you just go home? |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:09 am Post subject: |
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Just shinning a light on what goes on at such places.About time someone did. If noone said anything then the Universities would control the narative completely. That wouldn't be a good thing.
At any rate it is possible to beat the system in Korea, however that doesn't mean that the system is good Rather If someone is sort of okay it is not because of the system but rather in spite of it.
Now since you didn't challenge any other claims I made I will take it that you accept their accuracy.
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World Traveler
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| Northway, you don't like to hear complaints? Well, you are complaining about complainers. If this message board it so awful, why don't you just leave? (^_~) |
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JohnML
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| GENO123 wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
Mr Insight is getting rich on his University Job Program.
Mr GENO is soaking his hangman finger in anticipation for tomorrow's 3:15 class. |
Notice that Top Hate Cat refers to those who try to deceive and rip people off as having "insight"
Hey Top Hate Cat where is your proof that most university jobs are good?
At any rate some people will side w/ the university no matter what..
More importantly Universities try to negate f- 5 visas . and some people support them in doing that.
How much is 2.7 ~ 2.8 take home in US dollars?
Can someone support a family / pay back a loan on a university salary?
I guess one could do extra work but it is not allowed.
Universities don't pay severance. Do they ?
"contact hours" means nothing whatsoever. Only total total work and trouble compared to total pay.
Sad to say there are some who would wish to stop such a discussion.
As always failure to answer = unwillingness to answer.
Guide to conditions at big famous schools below:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=233809&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 |
If both partners earned 2.0 not even 2.7-2.8, it would definietely be possible to bring up a family + clear debt. It would take a long time and you'd kinda be poor. Honestly you aren't going to live a life of luxury in this field ever but you can't dispute it's definitely possible to raise a family if two people are earning that salary.
University jobs suit a minority of people, those who like to live a free/relaxed lifestyle or have no family or with spouses who have good jobs. Having a spouse with a terrible/no job would be harsh yeah. However if one doesn't spend much money/has no desire to be rich then some jobs are so relaxed they may be the best thing ever. There are a few problems arising from jobs in Korea. No 1) It makes you pretty unemployable back home unless you are tenured or something siliar, no 2) Going back home after you've been trying to scrap savings from a low salary is not easy, especially coupled with the low employability thing.
Lastly for those wanting to stay in the industry, it doesn't look like a fun future. I can honestly seeing it getting to the point of people doing it as a paid vacation (accommodation/food allowances only). The fact of the matter is a lot of people know English enough/have a degree to be able to do this stuff and a lot of people love to travel/live in asia. At the moment though things aren't that bad and probably won't be for some decades yet, if it does come to that. |
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JohnML
Joined: 05 Jul 2015
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| GENO123 wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
Mr Insight is getting rich on his University Job Program.
Mr GENO is soaking his hangman finger in anticipation for tomorrow's 3:15 class. |
Notice that Top Hate Cat refers to those who try to deceive and rip people off as having "insight"
Hey Top Hate Cat where is your proof that most university jobs are good?
At any rate some people will side w/ the university no matter what..
More importantly Universities try to negate f- 5 visas . and some people support them in doing that.
How much is 2.7 ~ 2.8 take home in US dollars?
Can someone support a family / pay back a loan on a university salary?
I guess one could do extra work but it is not allowed.
Universities don't pay severance. Do they ?
"contact hours" means nothing whatsoever. Only total total work and trouble compared to total pay.
Sad to say there are some who would wish to stop such a discussion.
As always failure to answer = unwillingness to answer.
Guide to conditions at big famous schools below:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=233809&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 |
If both partners earned 2.0 not even 2.7-2.8, it would definietely be possible to bring up a family + clear debt. It would take a long time and you'd kinda be poor. Honestly you aren't going to live a life of luxury in this field ever but you can't dispute it's definitely possible to raise a family if two people are earning that salary.
University jobs suit a minority of people, those who like to live a free/relaxed lifestyle or have no family or with spouses who have good jobs. Having a spouse with a terrible/no job would be harsh yeah. However if one doesn't spend much money/has no desire to be rich then some jobs are so relaxed they may be the best thing ever. There are a few problems arising from jobs in Korea. No 1) It makes you pretty unemployable back home unless you are tenured or something siliar, no 2) Going back home after you've been trying to scrap savings from a low salary is not easy, especially coupled with the low employability thing.
Lastly for those wanting to stay in the industry, it doesn't look like a fun future. I can honestly seeing it getting to the point of people doing it as a paid vacation (accommodation/food allowances only). The fact of the matter is a lot of people know English enough/have a degree to be able to do this stuff and a lot of people love to travel/live in asia. At the moment though things aren't that bad and probably won't be for some decades yet, if it does come to that. |
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northway
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| Northway, you don't like to hear complaints? Well, you are complaining about complainers. If this message board it so awful, why don't you just leave? (^_~) |
I honestly don't care either way, but I don't understand the endless bellyaching about how bad conditions are getting. I'm honestly asking: if it's that bad, why not just leave? Korea's demographic and economic trends suggest that things are going to get worse, not better. It's not as if Korean immigration seized your passport and you're trapped forever, and the longer you stay, the harder it gets to leave. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| JohnML wrote: |
| GENO123 wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
Mr Insight is getting rich on his University Job Program.
Mr GENO is soaking his hangman finger in anticipation for tomorrow's 3:15 class. |
Notice that Top Hate Cat refers to those who try to deceive and rip people off as having "insight"
Hey Top Hate Cat where is your proof that most university jobs are good?
At any rate some people will side w/ the university no matter what..
More importantly Universities try to negate f- 5 visas . and some people support them in doing that.
How much is 2.7 ~ 2.8 take home in US dollars?
Can someone support a family / pay back a loan on a university salary?
I guess one could do extra work but it is not allowed.
Universities don't pay severance. Do they ?
"contact hours" means nothing whatsoever. Only total total work and trouble compared to total pay.
Sad to say there are some who would wish to stop such a discussion.
As always failure to answer = unwillingness to answer.
Guide to conditions at big famous schools below:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=233809&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 |
If both partners earned 2.0 not even 2.7-2.8, it would definietely be possible to bring up a family + clear debt. It would take a long time and you'd kinda be poor. Honestly you aren't going to live a life of luxury in this field ever but you can't dispute it's definitely possible to raise a family if two people are earning that salary.
University jobs suit a minority of people, those who like to live a free/relaxed lifestyle or have no family or with spouses who have good jobs. Having a spouse with a terrible/no job would be harsh yeah. However if one doesn't spend much money/has no desire to be rich then some jobs are so relaxed they may be the best thing ever. There are a few problems arising from jobs in Korea. No 1) It makes you pretty unemployable back home unless you are tenured or something siliar, no 2) Going back home after you've been trying to scrap savings from a low salary is not easy, especially coupled with the low employability thing.
Lastly for those wanting to stay in the industry, it doesn't look like a fun future. I can honestly seeing it getting to the point of people doing it as a paid vacation (accommodation/food allowances only). The fact of the matter is a lot of people know English enough/have a degree to be able to do this stuff and a lot of people love to travel/live in asia. At the moment though things aren't that bad and probably won't be for some decades yet, if it does come to that. |
Many schools are very demanding nowadays so one doesn't even get the relaxed life style anymore either.
even the following is possible if your school is non pathological .
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However in reality this isn't the case. I don't care how much vacation you get. The pay downright sucks.
Oh you can do camps and corporates because your hours are low and you have vacation? Well then yes you'll make a decent salary. But then you're working 40 hours like the rest of us and having the stress of commuting between different jobs, dealing with all the issues one job would give x2 x3.
Show me a uni job that has 12 contact hours a week, 20 weeks vacation and pays 5-6 million Won a month. No publication pressure or BS committee work either. You know one of those dream "I work an 18 hour week MAX and take off to Thailand for 3 months" type jobs that esl uni teachers like to brag about.
You either get paid decently but have to work for it and have the pieces of paper or BS "qualifications" some on here like to bang on about, OR you have a uni job that requires very little BUT PAYS VERY LITTLE. |
However if your school is psychotic and demanding then the above just becomes that much harder.
Too make things worse many schools try to stuff F class visas. |
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