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cabeza
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| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
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Its already accepted as the most plausible by most academics and Navajo themselves. |
No, it isn't. Google it. What comes up? Menzies and Menzies related sites. A few people's personal websites and a bunch of yahoo answers. |
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=77461
The Bering strait in 2012, as recorded by Nasa. Connecting Asia and America
Clearly you can see why a land ice bridge existed even as temperatures are much higher than even 100 years ago. Its quite accepted that Inuits and Navajo are Asians who crossed the Bering Strait,
Occams Razor = often the simplest answer is the correct one. |
There are about 50 different topics going on now, none of which are about the original topic. Let me end this one by saying I, and the vast majority of academics and writers on the subject, disagree with you and I think you are clutching at straws. Possibly due to the fact that you as a gyopo want to link yourself to Native Americans so as to placate some sense of discrimination you have suffered in the US.
I know you believe the Navajo were really Mongolian tribes who were running away from Genghis Khan, ran all the way up to Northern Siberia as far east as possible, crossed an ice bridge in the thick of winter, into Alaska all the way down the Pacific coast of Canada and into the South West US within a few gnerations. That's your belief. Got it. End of. |
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cabeza
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| It's not horrific at all. You lie on your side, they put the strap around your head to keep your mouth open, inject you with some sedative and you wake up 20 minutes later in the recovery room. |
Its not good to get sleeping sedative. Any time you get sedated, there is a small chance you might not wake up. |
Yes, that's true. But if you are of normal health and younger than 65 the risk is something like 2-3 per million.
Fark getting a tube shoved down your throat while awake, or a tube up the bum for the colonoscopy. I'll take my chances with the anesthetic. |
I take it your from Spain or something?
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533536/Parents-girl-left-brain-dead-routine-tonsil-surgery-WIN-fight-alive-ventilator.html
a girl in California went under sedatives for a tonsilectomy and died from a coma
this was quite a well publicized death in the states |
Why does that make me Spanish?
No, i've never heard of that.
But if you read my original post you can see that I said there are risks. Though pretty minimal if you are of good health and not old. I'm willing to take that risk once every few years. Maybe as I get older I won't. |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| cabeza wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| cabeza wrote: |
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Its already accepted as the most plausible by most academics and Navajo themselves. |
No, it isn't. Google it. What comes up? Menzies and Menzies related sites. A few people's personal websites and a bunch of yahoo answers. |
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=77461
The Bering strait in 2012, as recorded by Nasa. Connecting Asia and America
Clearly you can see why a land ice bridge existed even as temperatures are much higher than even 100 years ago. Its quite accepted that Inuits and Navajo are Asians who crossed the Bering Strait,
Occams Razor = often the simplest answer is the correct one. |
There are about 50 different topics going on now, none of which are about the original topic. Let me end this one by saying I, and the vast majority of academics and writers on the subject, disagree with you and I think you are clutching at straws. Possibly due to the fact that you as a gyopo want to link yourself to Native Americans so as to placate some sense of discrimination you have suffered in the US.
I know you believe the Navajo were really Mongolian tribes who were running away from Genghis Khan, ran all the way up to Northern Siberia as far east as possible, crossed an ice bridge in the thick of winter, into Alaska all the way down the Pacific coast of Canada and into the South West US within a few gnerations. That's your belief. Got it. End of. |
Inuit have actually came up to my family and called us their ancestors.
http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/navajo.htm
More academics with evidence.
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The Apache-Navajo language and the other Athabascan languages belong to an entirely different language family from the Amerindian languages. One crucial difference that separates them from the other Amerindian languages and suggests their affinity to the languages of east Asia is that they are tonal; i.e., words with the same phonemes but spoken with different tones have different meanings. This meant that it was almost impossible for adult outsiders to learn these languages. |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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Anthropologists believe the Navajos probably arrived in the Southwest between 800 and 1,000 years ago, crossing the Bering Strait land bridge and traveling south. The Navajo people call themselves Dine', literally meaning "The People." The Dine' speak about their arrival on the earth as a part of their story on the creation.
http://www.ihs.gov/navajo/index.cfm?module=nao_navajo_nation |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Anthropologists believe the Navajos probably arrived in the Southwest between 800 and 1,000 years ago, crossing the Bering Strait land bridge and traveling south. The Navajo people call themselves Dine', literally meaning "The People." The Dine' speak about their arrival on the earth as a part of their story on the creation.
http://www.ihs.gov/navajo/index.cfm?module=nao_navajo_nation |
800-1000 years ago. So roughly 1000AD-1200AD give or take.
Genghis Khan died in 1227. They must have been doing some might quick fleeing to cover some two continents. Possibly before Genghis Khan was even born. So there goes that theory. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Why does any of this matter? You don't see anyone here tracing their links to Roma (gypsies) and using it to push some sort of social agenda.
J2B, there's an argument to be made against the anti-Korean stuff that gets posted here, but when you start doing racial flow charts and looking for "Asian strains" in European invasions and Native American migrations (whether those things are true or not) to justify some sort of social position, you just come across as a crackpot circa 1920, like whatshisface in the Great Gatsby talking about how everyone is Nordic. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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What kind of package tours were they running back then? How did they carry their kimchi and kim? What did they use for navigation without GPS?
Hermits on the run--might make a great musical in Seoul. |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Anthropologists believe the Navajos probably arrived in the Southwest between 800 and 1,000 years ago, crossing the Bering Strait land bridge and traveling south. The Navajo people call themselves Dine', literally meaning "The People." The Dine' speak about their arrival on the earth as a part of their story on the creation.
http://www.ihs.gov/navajo/index.cfm?module=nao_navajo_nation |
800-1000 years ago. So roughly 1000AD-1200AD give or take.
Genghis Khan died in 1227. They must have been doing some might quick fleeing to cover some two continents. Possibly before Genghis Khan was even born. So there goes that theory. |
Occams Razor - the simplest explanation is often correct
You provide no simpler explanation than the academics i have posted. Btw, you have provided zero evidence as well.
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cabeza
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Anthropologists believe the Navajos probably arrived in the Southwest between 800 and 1,000 years ago, crossing the Bering Strait land bridge and traveling south. The Navajo people call themselves Dine', literally meaning "The People." The Dine' speak about their arrival on the earth as a part of their story on the creation.
http://www.ihs.gov/navajo/index.cfm?module=nao_navajo_nation |
800-1000 years ago. So roughly 1000AD-1200AD give or take.
Genghis Khan died in 1227. They must have been doing some might quick fleeing to cover some two continents. Possibly before Genghis Khan was even born. So there goes that theory. |
Occams Razor |
Ok, great. That was predictable.
Let's end it here. |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Anthropologists believe the Navajos probably arrived in the Southwest between 800 and 1,000 years ago, crossing the Bering Strait land bridge and traveling south. The Navajo people call themselves Dine', literally meaning "The People." The Dine' speak about their arrival on the earth as a part of their story on the creation.
http://www.ihs.gov/navajo/index.cfm?module=nao_navajo_nation |
800-1000 years ago. So roughly 1000AD-1200AD give or take.
Genghis Khan died in 1227. They must have been doing some might quick fleeing to cover some two continents. Possibly before Genghis Khan was even born. So there goes that theory. |
Occams Razor |
Ok, great. That was predictable.
Let's end it here. |
Dood, do you even have a single link to a reputable source that counters my points or supports your own?
Just the facts maam |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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How about this?
http://www.manataka.org/page410.html
That's got DNA evidence and everything. And about as crackpot as your links.
I'm sure if i searched long enough I could find a site that ties them to ancient aliens.
And where are your reputable sites? Peer reviewed studies? Academic journal articles?
Look, you may have been bullied at school for being Asian, that's terrible, but trying to rewrite history to make yourself one of the original americans isn't going to work.
Just be proud to be Korean! Samsung! Dokdo! Yuna Kim! |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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How about this?
http://www.manataka.org/page410.html
That's got DNA evidence and everything. And about as crackpot as your links.
I'm sure if i searched long enough I could find a site that ties them to ancient aliens.
And where are your reputable sites? Peer reviewed studies? Academic journal articles?
Look, you may have been bullied at school for being Asian, that's terrible, but trying to rewrite history to make yourself one of the original americans isn't going to work.
Just be proud to be Korean! Samsung! Dokdo! Yuna Kim! |
from your own link
The researchers also found that ancestors of the
Navajo, Apache and other members of a Native
American group, known collectively as the Na-
Dene, are latecomers; they entered the continent in
a second migration
Thanks for playing |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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How about this?
http://www.manataka.org/page410.html
That's got DNA evidence and everything. And about as crackpot as your links.
I'm sure if i searched long enough I could find a site that ties them to ancient aliens.
And where are your reputable sites? Peer reviewed studies? Academic journal articles?
Look, you may have been bullied at school for being Asian, that's terrible, but trying to rewrite history to make yourself one of the original americans isn't going to work.
Just be proud to be Korean! Samsung! Dokdo! Yuna Kim! |
from your own link
The researchers also found that ancestors of the
Navajo, Apache and other members of a Native
American group, known collectively as the Na-
Dene, are latecomers; they entered the continent in
a second migration
Thanks for playing
btw you don't have an American accent huh? |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
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How about this?
http://www.manataka.org/page410.html
That's got DNA evidence and everything. And about as crackpot as your links.
I'm sure if i searched long enough I could find a site that ties them to ancient aliens.
And where are your reputable sites? Peer reviewed studies? Academic journal articles?
Look, you may have been bullied at school for being Asian, that's terrible, but trying to rewrite history to make yourself one of the original americans isn't going to work.
Just be proud to be Korean! Samsung! Dokdo! Yuna Kim! |
from your own link
The researchers also found that ancestors of the
Navajo, Apache and other members of a Native
American group, known collectively as the Na-
Dene, are latecomers; they entered the continent in
a second migration
Thanks for playing
btw you don't have an American accent huh? |
No shit. There were three migrations. Navajo-Apache are thought to be in the third which was roughly 3000BC. To save you doing the maths that's about 4000 years before Genghis Khan existed. |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| cabeza wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| cabeza wrote: |
How about this?
http://www.manataka.org/page410.html
That's got DNA evidence and everything. And about as crackpot as your links.
I'm sure if i searched long enough I could find a site that ties them to ancient aliens.
And where are your reputable sites? Peer reviewed studies? Academic journal articles?
Look, you may have been bullied at school for being Asian, that's terrible, but trying to rewrite history to make yourself one of the original americans isn't going to work.
Just be proud to be Korean! Samsung! Dokdo! Yuna Kim! |
from your own link
The researchers also found that ancestors of the
Navajo, Apache and other members of a Native
American group, known collectively as the Na-
Dene, are latecomers; they entered the continent in
a second migration
Thanks for playing
btw you don't have an American accent huh? |
No shit. There were three migrations. Navajo-Apache are thought to be in the third which was roughly 3000BC. To save you doing the maths that's about 4000 years before Genghis Khan existed. |
it was a constant wave. People came and went back and forth for thousands of years. navajo themselves acknowledge a wave came as recently as 800 years ago. pretty much similar to the last wave of koreans who went to the us during the imf.
so when lewis and clark was walking around america... they pretty much felt the same as when you walk around in seoul
no denying that |
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