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Adventurer
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I think there are a lot of similarities with ALL American youth. 80% or more of rap music is bought by white kids. Playstation and video games cuts across all racial and socioeconimic strata. However, I would term this a general American culture. Still there are regionalisms. I would suggest southern kids go to church far more often their counterparts in other regions of the country for example.
Styles of clothes vary amongst girls in different regions. NYC girls and Dallas girls would not dress similar I would imagine, generally speaking. Styles and such easily migrate because of technology (videos, tv, etc.). |
There are definite differences. African Americans often tend to have their own slang that some not from the group wouldn't understand. It's true that most rap music is bought by non-African Americans, but not that many of the artists are non-African American, and not so many African Americans gravitate towards country and rock music. I recall one African American friend complaining about someone wanting to make her listen to rap and not listen to white folks music. I kid you not. It's difficult to speak of culture because there are subcultures. For example, a segment of African American youth have their pants sag in a certain way and will wear do-rags. I hardly see people of other ethnic groups do that. I will say that since rap has become big many other groups want to imitate what they think is African-American and it has build some bridges and promoted more interracial friendships and marriages maybe. However, it has had its negative effects. Then, again, I am not a sociologist. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| general similararities............ |
Sorry, I didn't understand what you meant by 'general similarities'? I asked if other ethnic or racial groups of size have the same monolithic cultural qualities you said blacks have and I couldn't gleam an answer from your response. |
You can also talk about southern whites. They tend to be more church going, tend to be less aware of other cultures when compared to their northern and west coast counterparts, and they tend to like grits, lots of barbecue, country music, pick up trucks, tend to be more pro-war, and republican. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| There are definite differences. African Americans often tend to have their own slang that some not from the group wouldn't understand. It's true that most rap music is bought by non-African Americans, but not that many of the artists are non-African American, and not so many African Americans gravitate towards country and rock music. I recall one African American friend complaining about someone wanting to make her listen to rap and not listen to white folks music. I kid you not. It's difficult to speak of culture because there are subcultures. For example, a segment of African American youth have their pants sag in a certain way and will wear do-rags. I hardly see people of other ethnic groups do that. I will say that since rap has become big many other groups want to imitate what they think is African-American and it has build some bridges and promoted more interracial friendships and marriages maybe. However, it has had its negative effects. Then, again, I am not a sociologist. |
I've seen both "poor" wite and hispanic youth do exactly that. The pants... all the time. The dew rag, not as much (but the dew rag is not so much a cultural thing as it is a nappy-hair thing).
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Now that's crossing the discourse line......If you crossed a little more, your account wouldn't be here. It's one thing to discuss crime and what not, but to parody the way some African Americans speak in doing so is not acceptable and posting that article the way you did with your words is a no-go. I hope this is clear for everyone, and we have done that for all races concerned. We've banned people over anti-white ,anti-black, anti-Korean comments if they were judged to cross a certain line...... |
Look at the threads this poster creates. He's got a pattern of racist posting, and I'm surprised he's still here. |
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Enrico Palazzo
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| There are definite differences. African Americans often tend to have their own slang that some not from the group wouldn't understand. It's true that most rap music is bought by non-African Americans, but not that many of the artists are non-African American, and not so many African Americans gravitate towards country and rock music. I recall one African American friend complaining about someone wanting to make her listen to rap and not listen to white folks music. I kid you not. It's difficult to speak of culture because there are subcultures. For example, a segment of African American youth have their pants sag in a certain way and will wear do-rags. I hardly see people of other ethnic groups do that. I will say that since rap has become big many other groups want to imitate what they think is African-American and it has build some bridges and promoted more interracial friendships and marriages maybe. However, it has had its negative effects. Then, again, I am not a sociologist. |
I've seen both "poor" wite and hispanic youth do exactly that. The pants... all the time. The dew rag, not as much (but the dew rag is not so much a cultural thing as it is a nappy-hair thing).
| Enrico Palazzo wrote: |
Now that's crossing the discourse line......If you crossed a little more, your account wouldn't be here. It's one thing to discuss crime and what not, but to parody the way some African Americans speak in doing so is not acceptable and posting that article the way you did with your words is a no-go. I hope this is clear for everyone, and we have done that for all races concerned. We've banned people over anti-white ,anti-black, anti-Korean comments if they were judged to cross a certain line...... |
Look at the threads this poster creates. He's got a pattern of racist posting, and I'm surprised he's still here. |
He's not still here. I took a good look around the board, and I saw what you were referring to, and he was removed many hours before your post. If he tries to reincarnate, he will meet a mod peacemaker again. He's gone. No group should suffer such abuse on here or anywhere. You're correct. We've always been against people crossing those lines as you well know. Our apologies if we didn't see him earlier. It's not because we tolerate such behavior. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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But for minorities, that squeeze has been partially offset by the sense that possibilities closed to their parents are becoming available to them as discrimination wanes. "The distinction is, these blue-collar whites see opportunities for people like them shrinking, whereas the African-Americans [and Hispanics] feel there are a set of long-term opportunities that are opening to them that were previously closed on the basis of race or ethnicity," said Mark Mellman, a Democratic pollster who helped conduct the Pew survey.
By contrast, although it is difficult to precisely quantify, the sense of being eclipsed demographically is almost certainly compounding the white working class's fear of losing ground economically. That huge bloc of Americans increasingly feels itself left behind--and lacks faith that either government or business cares much about its plight. Under these pressures, noncollege whites are now experiencing rates of out-of-wedlock birth and single parenthood approaching the levels that triggered worries about the black family a generation ago. Alarm bells should be ringing now about the social and economic trends in the battered white working class and the piercing cry of distress rising from this latest survey. |
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/the-white-working-class-the-most-pessimistic-group-in-america/239584/
Maybe they just need to "man up". Or in the alternative they are in fact screwed when looking at their situation from a macro perspective.
Or we're all screwed and not everyone has been so quick to figure it out. |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
I think there are a lot of similarities with ALL American youth. 80% or more of rap music is bought by white kids. Playstation and video games cuts across all racial and socioeconimic strata. However, I would term this a general American culture. Still there are regionalisms. I would suggest southern kids go to church far more often their counterparts in other regions of the country for example.
Styles of clothes vary amongst girls in different regions. NYC girls and Dallas girls would not dress similar I would imagine, generally speaking. Styles and such easily migrate because of technology (videos, tv, etc.). |
There are definite differences. African Americans often tend to have their own slang that some not from the group wouldn't understand. It's true that most rap music is bought by non-African Americans, but not that many of the artists are non-African American, and not so many African Americans gravitate towards country and rock music. I recall one African American friend complaining about someone wanting to make her listen to rap and not listen to white folks music. I kid you not. It's difficult to speak of culture because there are subcultures. For example, a segment of African American youth have their pants sag in a certain way and will wear do-rags. I hardly see people of other ethnic groups do that. I will say that since rap has become big many other groups want to imitate what they think is African-American and it has build some bridges and promoted more interracial friendships and marriages maybe. However, it has had its negative effects. Then, again, I am not a sociologist. |
The slang is different amongst African Americans. I was played college athletics and the black guys from the north and the southern guys had different slangs for things. West coast from east coast as well. Its more uniform now because of technology but slang is local.
Same with latinos. I grew up knowing a fair bit of Puerto Rican spanglish and the Mexican Americans I met in LA didn't know any of it. They had totally different words.
My debate was a monolithic culture that all African Americans share. There have been so many that have moved into the middle and upper classes and today you have a generation of them that have lived their lives in predominantly white neighborhoods. For them to think and act the same it would have to be hereditary.
As I said though, technology makes the world smaller so now you have anyone who wants to imitate hip hop for example finding it easier to do so via TV or the net.
Totally agree about the negative effects and that there is sadly a large part of the African American community who still retain anger towards the larger society but that wasn't the debate. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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But for minorities, that squeeze has been partially offset by the sense that possibilities closed to their parents are becoming available to them as discrimination wanes. "The distinction is, these blue-collar whites see opportunities for people like them shrinking, whereas the African-Americans [and Hispanics] feel there are a set of long-term opportunities that are opening to them that were previously closed on the basis of race or ethnicity," said Mark Mellman, a Democratic pollster who helped conduct the Pew survey.
By contrast, although it is difficult to precisely quantify, the sense of being eclipsed demographically is almost certainly compounding the white working class's fear of losing ground economically. That huge bloc of Americans increasingly feels itself left behind--and lacks faith that either government or business cares much about its plight. Under these pressures, noncollege whites are now experiencing rates of out-of-wedlock birth and single parenthood approaching the levels that triggered worries about the black family a generation ago. Alarm bells should be ringing now about the social and economic trends in the battered white working class and the piercing cry of distress rising from this latest survey. |
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/the-white-working-class-the-most-pessimistic-group-in-america/239584/
Maybe they just need to "man up". Or in the alternative they are in fact screwed when looking at their situation from a macro perspective.
Or we're all screwed and not everyone has been so quick to figure it out. |
I think the fear has always been there and manifested in different ways. In the 1800s there was a huge social outcry about the number of european immigrants streaming across the ocean. America was becoming less anglo saxon, protestant and english speaking. The Irish were the first targets being catholic and the stereotypes against the papacy and the held belief the Pope would rule indirectly via its membership. The fear then spread to the east, southeast and southern europeans who were coming in after the Irish. America enacted more than a few immigration laws and quotas because of such fear.
The original Americans fear losing their jobs to the cheaper labor and feared for their childrens' future.
This also occurred with the unions. The original unions would argue about fairness, working conditions and such but on the other hand were vehemently opposed to diversifying its membership to include blacks and other racial minorties. The union jobs were seen as their son's birthright and they didn't want these jobs to go to another group.
The conscription (draft) riots during the Civil War era in NYC where mostly Irish gangs ran the streets killing blacks indiscriminately was in part about their having to go to war to free a people that would eventually come to the north to take the already low paying jobs that they had to fight for.
Ironically enough, in Los Angeles there is animosity between African Americans and Latinos as well and part of it is due to job opportunities dwindling for the former due to a large increase in number of latinos. |
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