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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Thou shalt not make repetitive generic music, thou shalt not make repetitive generic music, thou shalt not make repetitive generic music, thou shalt not make repetitive generic music.
Thou shalt not pimp my ride.
Thou shalt not scream if you wanna go faster.
Thou shalt not move to the sound of the wickedness.
Thou shalt not make some noise for Detroit.
When I say �Hey� thou shalt not say �Ho.�
When I say �Hip� thou shalt not say �Hop.�
When I say, he say, she say, we say, make some noise - kill me.
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wo buxihuan hanguoren
Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Location: Suyuskis
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:40 am Post subject: |
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Grandmaster Flash, Public Enemy = okay; at least they fought the power and had messages.
Anyone over 20 that listens to this crap is an idiot, end of story.
Especially if you have white skin. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote: |
Grandmaster Flash, Public Enemy = okay; at least they fought the power and had messages.
Anyone over 20 that listens to this crap is an idiot, end of story.
Especially if you have white skin. |
good music doesn't need a message. The end. |
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wo buxihuan hanguoren
Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Location: Suyuskis
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote: |
Grandmaster Flash, Public Enemy = okay; at least they fought the power and had messages.
Anyone over 20 that listens to this crap is an idiot, end of story.
Especially if you have white skin. |
good music doesn't need a message. The end. |
Duh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kRuJhIVIo |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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You should re-title this thread "I'm old and i hate the things young people like".
Would be more apt. There is still good rap music out there, all you have to do is find it. I can't see how anyone can listen to anything Ghostface has made recently and say hip hop is rubbish. |
I'm 26 and I've met enough 30+ year olds who like hip-hop to not really associate it with youth anymore. Ghostface himself is 37. 37!
I really do enjoy some hip-hop, but overall the genre is very tired. But most of rock is tired too. So what can you do? |
Ghostfave Killer. Always loved that name. Could a white performer get away with being Spookface Killer? |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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p.s. What is the backpacker variety of rap? |
"backpacker" is a code word for white people, just the way "urban" is a code word for black people.
And, really, anybody who says Jay-Z is anything other than a disgusting, consumerist, soul-dead waste of time is just fooling themselves. Kanye is a bit better, and I'll be honest, I've been listening to his latest album quite a bit, because it's all very pretty and shiny and well-made, but 30 seconds of Bob Dylan has more meaning and humanism than Kanye's whole career. |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
Good music is good music, whether it's on the radio or your best friend's best friend's acquaintance's best kept secret. Sure, I don't like most mainstream rap being released these days, but an equal or greater proportion of so-called underground hip-hop sucks just as bad -- if not more, because it pretends to be cutting edge and innovative but can't mask the fact that it's insanely boring and lacking panache (which hip-hop music should be a synonym for).
I can't count on one hand how many new hip-hop MCs or groups interest me. The talent pool has grown stale. But there are still some artists making great music, both mainstream and underground. And occasionally somewhere in between.
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I'll be rude and do a double post because this is a good point and I'm glad to see Sparkles back on this message board. Nothing irritates me more than people who try to explain to me the difference between "rap" and "hip-hop" because it inevitably comes down rap being stuff that the speaker thinks sucks and hip-hop being stuff that the speaker likes. It's the same way Christians disown the Spanish inquisition but claim Mother Teresa. It's all the same animal, and you've got to accept it (but not like it), pimples and all.
The reason I say that I'm over hip-hop is because I feel like it's gotten a free ride for too long. The commerical sh*t is obviously excerable, and the underground stuff is, let's face it, usually boring and unlistenable. It's usually a long string of 10 dollar words designed to impress the pretentious. But when you get down to it, it's just a series of empty boasts just like the commercial stuff. Only instead of boasting about money, they boast about intellect and "soul". It only holds water in that it's better than commercial stuff, but if we really assess it honestly, it sucks too. And that's a general statement which I would love to learn about the exceptions to. |
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Treefarmer
Joined: 29 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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i think you lhaters are so fucking thick it's unbelievable tbh
the idea of hip hop is that anyone can do it, same as garage rock, if you don't like hip hop make your own, don't hate on it, or make your own rock or whatever, just don't be a fucking loser |
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wo buxihuan hanguoren
Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Location: Suyuskis
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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the idea of hip hop is that anyone can do it |
With this revelation in mind, I think I will go to Gangnam today and eat the beer and drink the rice. |
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Treefarmer
Joined: 29 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote: |
| Treefarmer wrote: |
the idea of hip hop is that anyone can do it |
With this revelation in mind, I think I will go to Gangnam today and eat the beer and drink the rice. |
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Drew345
Joined: 24 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| When people overseas ask me about what Korean music is like, I tell them it is government-approved, family-oriented boy-band hip-hop. Pretty much sums up anything I see on the TV here. Makes me really want to crank up some Tool or old Led Zeppelin. |
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jg
Joined: 27 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Billybrobby:
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| The commerical sh*t is obviously excerable, and the underground stuff is, let's face it, usually boring and unlistenable. It's usually a long string of 10 dollar words designed to impress the pretentious. |
Yet you don't seem impressed with the "underground". Heavy pedantry and cynicism don't often render anyone open to much new music, but here is some, uhh, "underground" stuff that's good and not needlessly showoffy... well, given the genre.
Warning: good stuff below!
Count Bass D
Thirstin Howl III (Polo Rican, I love this one)
Thes One (yacht club is hilarious)
Colossus
Vast Aire
Pete Rock and CL Smooth - Mecca and the Soul Brother (my all time fave, though dated)
******
Rap is funny. Almost from it's beginning people have been getting tired of it, and like rock music people freeze their faves in time and dismiss anything after a certain date. Rock and punk are the same in that manner.  Imagine not liking any classical music after Monteverdi, or being dismissive of anything that wasn't as bombastic as Wagner. Ah, the tyranny of "authentic" and wallowing in nostalgia. I mean, why do people always mention Grandmaster Flash? Even then it was silly and well-calculated to capitalize on a trend. Talk about commercial!
Anyway, there is so much rap now, its like food, a matter of finding what you like, not just saying you don' t like it.
Busta Rhymes, who I don't care for, once said to a reporter that if people could free themselves from the idea that "I am from such and such group, I can only like this music this much, or in passing" music would truly be enjoyable to all. Just recently the Onion's AV club aka lame hipsterism central, had an discussion about if a middle aged white male should be listening to rap. God, what boxes people establish for themselves and for "others". Anyway...
Personally, I like the way rap music has evolved, it's become a pretty good barometer of the times - maybe like any music, but it just seems so to reflect the nation. |
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PigeonFart
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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I'm European. HipHop was never popular where i grew up. Still isnt.
Although i have to admit, i probably like the actual music, its just i'm turned off by the human voice...i don't want to hear anything the artist has to say about a lifestyle i cannot identify with. I guess if i was born in the Bronx then i'd understand. Or if i grew up in N.America and i was a spotty suburban teenager, then i might have fallen under its spell.
But music with a good beat is good music. Just wish i didnt have to see or hear those fools associated with the music.
bring back the 70's and 80's. |
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safeblad
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Dave O wrote: |
I'm European. HipHop was never popular where i grew up. Still isnt.
Although i have to admit, i probably like the actual music, its just i'm turned off by the human voice...i don't want to hear anything the artist has to say about a lifestyle i cannot identify with. I guess if i was born in the Bronx then i'd understand. Or if i grew up in N.America and i was a spotty suburban teenager, then i might have fallen under its spell.
But music with a good beat is good music. Just wish i didnt have to see or hear those fools associated with the music.
bring back the 70's and 80's. |
... this is actually one of the main reasons why I love UK hip hop, you can hear people with english accents talking about english things and its not all about hos in clubs. Its not exactly popular but thats because everytime there is a new style they invent a new genre instead of just keeping it under a general hip hop umbrella. Thus the scene become flooded with a load of shit genres which most people dont appreciate.
At least its not flooded with bling and big time rappers with no skills, Nas is still just about the best big time rapper in the USA at the moment and 95% of his stuff is Sh!t. Kanye West, please... how can anyone associate with that gimp and his crap tunes?
Seeing as this thread is just all about name dropping to show everyone the 'cool' music that everyone listens to I will go ahead: Skinnyman, Skitz, Roots Manuva, Plan B, Blak Twang and, ahem, gunshot, my guilty pleasure.
I think Hip Hop is a very personal thing, sure the britishness of UK hip hop would turn off a lot of north americans, I wouldnt expect them to enjoy it though, neither would i expect them to enjoy 'the streets' or anything like that. It is the same thing for me with american hip hop. People go on and on about Talib Kweli but I just cant stand the sound of his voice, it grates on my ears.
That said my favourite hip hop album will always be Cannibal Ox's 'the cold vein'. Its difficult to imagine any album ever being released that's quite as good. |
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